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re: Olympics statement on boxing situation
Posted on 8/1/24 at 6:23 pm to the808bass
Posted on 8/1/24 at 6:23 pm to the808bass
Responding to your comment that these folks don’t have a uterus…
If the rumor is correct and this person has Swyer syndrome, they usually have a uterus. But if she really has Swyer syndrome but previously tested high for testosterone, then she was doping.
People with androgen insensitivity syndrome like Jamie Lee Curtis don’t have a uterus.
Regardless, this person is XY and when in doubt you should have to compete in the men’s division to protect the women’s division.
If the rumor is correct and this person has Swyer syndrome, they usually have a uterus. But if she really has Swyer syndrome but previously tested high for testosterone, then she was doping.
People with androgen insensitivity syndrome like Jamie Lee Curtis don’t have a uterus.
Regardless, this person is XY and when in doubt you should have to compete in the men’s division to protect the women’s division.
This post was edited on 8/1/24 at 6:33 pm
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Posted on 8/1/24 at 6:27 pm to CrimsonFever
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You think theres a transgender person on the Algerian boxing team? Being transgender there gets you killed. America really is becoming the Idiocracy movie.
You are so clever, lol. Hope you never have a daughter or son because they will end up a daughter either way. You won’t be able to protect her regardless.
Posted on 8/1/24 at 6:35 pm to lsusa
Everyone is being fed a huge bowl of BS in regards to this person. Don't GAF if they are a hermaphrodite, they still don't belong in women's sports. The Olympics used to have rules for situations like this for the protection of women. Apparently they don't give a sh*t anymore...
Posted on 8/1/24 at 6:36 pm to Trauma14
quote:This should really be the end of the thread. From what I understand the IOC has tight rules that mostly prevent any trans athletes from competing.
Playing a little devil's advocate here.
I'll start by saying I am 1,000% on board with keeping these perverted men out of women's sports. I support Riley Gaines and the movement she started after Chris Thompson put on a girls bathing suit and declared himself a woman. I am a Tennessean and support Marsha Blackburn. Regardless of my next comment, I do not support the trans movement.
Now, from what I can gather from some simple research is that this Imane Khelif from Algeria was born a female with female genitalia. This 2023 DNA test at a boxing event popped up showing XY chromosomes, which would typically signify she is actually a male.
Digging deeper I learned that Swyer Syndrome is a gene disorder where a person is born female, with female parts, but with XY chromosomes. They don't menstruate, the gonads do not function like they should or develop into ovaries or testicles, and do not produce testosterone like males. Those range in the normal range as typical females. Nothing about them is male other than just the XY chromosome.
I have a hard time being upset about Imane's inclusion in the event. I look at her boxing record, and while she is good, she isn't beating up females at an insane rate or any different than these other Olympic boxers. She loses to other good boxers.
I write this just to remind us conservatives, that what generally separates us from our liberal counterparts is that we generally are more cerebral thinkers and don't just fall for quick headlines and soundbites. A little research goes a long way before we add our opinion into the fire.
ETA: If the claims that Imane was born female are untrue and doesn't have Swyer Syndrome and really is a man pretending to be a women, then frick that dude.
Posted on 8/1/24 at 6:37 pm to Broadside Bob
Whatever it is has 9 losses to women and only 5 knockouts in 50+ fights. That sounds like a woman to me or a god awful male boxer who is losing to women I guess.
Posted on 8/1/24 at 6:38 pm to Night Vision
Strange how they pick and choose.
IOC won't allow Caster Semenya to compete and she won her case.
IOC won't allow Caster Semenya to compete and she won her case.
Posted on 8/1/24 at 6:53 pm to OU81TOO
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What does the DNA say? There used to be a test for testosterone levels, but I guess not anymore by today's woke standards. Tough luck if this person is truly a hermaphrodite, but can't make the masses suffer for the plight of a few. Time for this BS to stop.
I would argue that the OG anti-woke standard that most of us would agree to for determining male or female is “was the person born with a dick or a vagina”.
I disagree that this particular situation with the Algerian boxer is “BS” as I think that it is a legitimate (ie. Non-contrived) controversy that unfortunately might not have a perfect answer.
But the primary point I make in posting is that this situation is not analogous to the “Leah” Thomas situation where a full grown man “decided” to pretend to be a woman. . Furthermore, I think trying to equate the two situations is counterproductive.
Posted on 8/1/24 at 6:55 pm to Night Vision
Lets just have a mens, womens, and trans categories...
Problem solved...
Problem solved...
Posted on 8/1/24 at 7:36 pm to mmcgrath
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From what I understand the IOC has tight rules that mostly prevent any trans athletes from competing.
The IOC's Boxing Unit is solely basing age and gender based on the passport, as reiterated in their statement. That's pretty lenient criteria, particularly in today's world.
The IOC's statement today appears to be deflecting the controversy onto the IBA out of convenience, since the IBA is now banned from the Olympics and they previously banned the two athletes in question. Notice how the IOC calls the athletes "victims" and the IBA's tests "sudden and arbitrary".
The IBA responded by stating the two athletes didn't take testosterone tests, but failed other tests with confidential results, and they didn't contest the bans, which is interesting.
While I have some sympathy for people with legit biological disorders wanting to compete, it appears as if the IOC dropped the ball here and are trying to protect themselves.
Posted on 8/1/24 at 7:45 pm to Trauma14
Participation should be allowed by blood test for chromosome and testosterone...Period..
No matter the genetalia..if you are genetically a guy and have testosterone above the fraction women usually have, you don't get to play..It is VERY SIMPLE.
No matter the genetalia..if you are genetically a guy and have testosterone above the fraction women usually have, you don't get to play..It is VERY SIMPLE.
Posted on 8/1/24 at 7:52 pm to lsusa
I'm not trying to conflate the two situations either. XY compete with XY and XX compete with XX. That was the standard at the Olympics up until just a few years back. If you unfortunately were born a hermaphrodite, you have to go by the DNA. The IBA had already disqualified this person for the same reason. Apparently people don't care about women's protection as much as they say out of fear of being called bad names.
Posted on 8/1/24 at 8:04 pm to SaintTiger1
quote:are we able to prove they're women
has lost to 5 women.
Posted on 8/1/24 at 9:33 pm to lsusa
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You are showing your ignorance because in this case, God did make the person this way.
No matter if they were born that way or chose it, this person should not be allowed to punch women in the Olympics.
Posted on 8/1/24 at 9:44 pm to mmcgrath
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From what I understand the IOC has tight rules that mostly prevent any trans athletes from competing.
Except in boxing?
Oh, and will you denounce the attempted murder of Trump?
Posted on 8/1/24 at 9:46 pm to WWII Collector
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Lets just have a mens, womens, and trans categories...
That’s a no from me.
There is no such thing as a “trans-woman.” It is a dude in a dress.
Posted on 8/1/24 at 9:52 pm to trinidadtiger
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Really is that simple, XY chromosomes and a uterus.
I think what people are leaving out is the medical condition means she also has un-descendent testicles which produce natural testosterone at male levels. So she may have some female parts and she may not be trans, but because of the exposure to testosterone, she basically has bone and muscle density of a male who has been exposed to natural testosterone and training as an athlete.
This is not a trans issue at all, this is an issue of safety for the natural woman of the sport. This lady has an unfair advantage given her physical make up and its very dangerous for her to compete against natural women in a combat sports. Someone is going to get killed.
This post was edited on 8/1/24 at 9:54 pm
Posted on 8/1/24 at 10:00 pm to FreddieMac
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un-descendent testicles which produce natural testosterone at male levels.
Link?
It's an unproductive gonad. Doesn't do shite. You just making stuff up?
Posted on 8/1/24 at 10:05 pm to FreddieMac
This is not the anti-trans hill we conservatives need to die on.
This conversation reminds me of the George Floyd BS. The libs went crazy acting like he was a saint and we just thought they were crazy.
We are treating this like it's our George Floyd. There is a big difference between this boxer and Chris Thompson (Lea). Let's keep our focus on the obvious perverted men that dress as women in order to compete in a female sport and leave this genetic disorder, arguably female situation alone.
This conversation reminds me of the George Floyd BS. The libs went crazy acting like he was a saint and we just thought they were crazy.
We are treating this like it's our George Floyd. There is a big difference between this boxer and Chris Thompson (Lea). Let's keep our focus on the obvious perverted men that dress as women in order to compete in a female sport and leave this genetic disorder, arguably female situation alone.
Posted on 8/1/24 at 10:05 pm to tigerskin
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People with androgen insensitivity syndrome like Jamie Lee Curtis don’t have a uterus.
What are you basing this on in regards to Jamie Lee Curtis?
Posted on 8/1/24 at 10:13 pm to Trauma14
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It's an unproductive gonad. Doesn't do shite. You just making stuff up?
So, based on this assessment she must be juicing. Basically she was disqualified last year for having too much testosterone in her system and failing a gender test . There are only two ways that can happen, naturally or unnaturally. Which is it?
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