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re: Real climate cataclysm: Scientists Can No Longer Ignore Ancient Flooding Tales (Netflix)

Posted on 11/22/22 at 10:59 am to
Posted by FATBOY TIGER
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Posted on 11/22/22 at 10:59 am to
Only flood i'm worried about is at the southern border.
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 11/22/22 at 11:21 am to
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Is their an approximate definition for advanced civilization?


For this topic, I think it's roughly anything beyond hunter-gatherers. So any city-based societies with some knowledge of the movement of stars and engineering is probably as good a definition as any.

To me, the Bimini Road has always been solid evidence of some civilization which was advanced enough to not only create, move and lay large stone slabs weighing tons, but to also level them out as they placed them (at least some of them are balanced on multiple rocks placed between them and the sea floor). They aren't all that deep (around 18 feet), but even if they were designed to be a breaker, it points to a time when the water level was far lower than it is now (the distance to the current shoreline is around 2,300 feet and it's somewhat close to where the land begins to drop off LINK).



There have been multiple smatterings of research on the area, but they run the gamut of "man-made" to "natural rock formation".



That's a rather oddly precise natural formation of stone slabs.
Posted by Flats
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Posted on 11/22/22 at 11:26 am to
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urban society,


That's not typically considered "advanced" today. Not by people who don't require the government to wipe their own arse, anyway.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 11/25/22 at 9:50 am to
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they indirectly label Hancock a right wing, racist Nazi


The “tolerant” folks keep doing their thing…

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2022/nov/23/ancient-apocalypse-is-the-most-dangerous-show-on-netflix
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Ancient Apocalypse is the most dangerous show on Netflix

A show with a truly preposterous theory is one of the streaming giant’s biggest hits – and it seems to exist solely for conspiracy theorists. Why has this been allowed?

A show for people who like to shout at you on Twitter … Graham Hancock, presenter of Ancient Apocalypse

Stuart Heritage Stuart Heritage @stuheritage Wed 23 Nov 2022 05.54 EST


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That’s the danger of a show like this. It whispers to the conspiracy theorist in all of us. And Hancock is such a compelling host that he’s bound to create a few more in his wake. Believing that ultra-intelligent creatures helped to build the pyramids is one thing, but where does it end? Believing that election fraud is real? Believing 9/11 was an inside job? Worse? If you were feeling particularly mean-spirited, you could suggest that Netflix knows this, and has gone out of its way to court the conspiracy theorists.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 11/27/22 at 6:06 pm to
Synchronicity today
For those who know

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The Day and Hour Unknown

36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[f] but only the Father. 37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left. 42 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44 So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.





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The Destruction of the Temple and Signs of the End Times

24 Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2 “Do you see all these things?” he asked. “Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.” 3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”

4 Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. 6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains. 9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. 15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’[a] spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again. 22 “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time. 26 “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.

29 “Immediately after the distress of those days “‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth[c] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.[d] 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. 32 “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33 Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it[e] is near, right at the door. 34 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

Posted by ItNeverRains
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Posted on 11/27/22 at 6:22 pm to
Finally binged Ancient Apocalypse this weekend. Big fan of Hancock and Carlson.
Posted by Delacroix22
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Posted on 11/27/22 at 8:31 pm to
Younger Dryads IS the ice age?

And this was caused by meteors?

And the guy speculated that civilizations existed BEFORE YD?

Just want to make sure I’m getting my timeline and terminology correct

And that advance civilizations existed BEFORE the ice age / YD? But for the most part died out?

That graphic you posted doesn’t say “ice age”
Posted by Powerman
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Posted on 11/27/22 at 9:35 pm to
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So drastic sea level changes happened in short amounts of time prior to the industrial age? Wouldn't this imply that it's not something that is caused by humans burning fossil fuels?

Not necessarily and that's pretty poor logic. There can be more than one cause to create similar outcomes.
Posted by kingbob
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Posted on 11/28/22 at 6:39 am to
The Younger Dryas was the dramatic end of the Ice Age. It was essentially a nuclear winter. After the Younger-Dryas was over, all of the mega-fauna were dead, sea levels had risen hundreds of feet, the ice sheets had melted, and the climate was VERY different.

The Ice Age lasted for millions of years, fluctuating between periods of heavy glaciation and relatively warmer eras. The period immediately leading up to the Younger-Dryas was slightly warmer than the ice age typically was, but not so warm as to melt the ice sheets and raise sea levels. This environment left huge swaths of the globe fertile snd temperate for human development.

It is theorized that the Younger-Dryas’s sudden temperature plummet was caused by dust ejected from meteor impacts blocking out the sun. At the same time, however, despite drastically lower temperatures globally, the ice sheets melted rapidly, implying a meteor impacting the ice sheet. That’s one of the few triggers that could simultaneously temporarily cool global temperatures, destroy the food chain killing off megafauna, while also melting massive quantities of ice.
This post was edited on 11/28/22 at 6:46 am
Posted by bayou2
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Posted on 11/29/22 at 8:40 am to


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Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 



... everything we have been experiencing HAD to happen ...

but some elements to their plan are missing because God took away their TOYS ...

When the green light is given on a major league plan, they cannot just pick up the phone and say "hold up, one part of the plan is missing"...

No --- the plan keeps rolling without the missing segment ...

That is what we have now

Side bars of the plan because the TOYS were taken away ...

The economy issue, the pandemic, the gender issue, the voting issue, crime, everything going on right now -- just side bars of their bigger plan ...

But God said "No" and took the TOYS away



Posted by bayou2
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Posted on 11/29/22 at 9:05 am to


... now there were 12 TOYS to the plan, but of the 12 only one was fought. That was Covid, and since it was the only survivor of the 12 you were able to analyze it to find out what the heck was going on, and making, for the most part, an intellectual decision.

Now sit there for a minute and think about that sentence ...

What would have happened IF the other 11 TOYS had been experienced???

Well that is why God said "NO" ...


Posted by Boomdaddy65201
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Posted on 11/29/22 at 1:11 pm to
Here’s the true Pseudoarchaeologist:

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Steph Halmhofer, a PhD candidate at the University of Alberta who studies the use of pseudo archaeology and erasure of indigenous heritage by far-right groups, suggests that these attacks on archaeologists function to increase his sense of authority with viewers. As Halmhofer explains: It’s about conspiracism and the positioning of Hancock as the victim of a conspiracy. The repeated disparaging remarks about archaeologists and other academics in every episode of Ancient Apocalypse is needed to remind the audience that the alternative past being proposed is true, regardless of the lack of conclusive evidence for it. And the vagueness of who this supposed advanced civilisation was, combined with the credence given to it by being in a Netflix-produced series, is going to make Ancient Apocalypse an easily mouldable source for anyone looking to fill in a fantasied mythical past.


What are the chances she could 90 minutes with Hancock & Carlson on JRE?









I’m Verklempt, but my is preparedth.

Bump
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 12/26/22 at 8:12 am to
Intersection of this content and UAP/ “aliens”/ others

https://avi-loeb.medium.com/no-high-rise-left-standing-from-early-mars-or-earth-9376389ae070

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Avi Loeb Follow Dec 24 · 5 min read

No High-Rise Left Standing from Early Mars or Earth


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The latest analysis of data from NASA’s Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter (MRO) indicates that Mars was rippled with rivers and ponds for the first half of its history. Based on the analogy with Earth, it is conventionally expected that Mars developed microbial life when it lost its atmosphere. In that case, the water on its surface evaporated and left a frozen desert. But if the development of intelligent life on Mars was accelerated by merely a factor of two relative to Earth, there could have been an advanced technological civilization on Mars a few billion years before humans appeared on Earth. Can we easily rule out this possibility?


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Since bio-mass or vegetation degrade rapidly in the absence of atmospheric pressure and liquid water, the most distinct relics would be abandoned roads and buildings of major cities. Some of this infrastructure could have been damaged by volcanic activity, which was most prominent in the first 1.5 billion years but is still ongoing according to new evidence. The base of the largest Volcano on Mars, Olympus Mons, covers an area of order the state of Missouri and the circular opening at its top is 65 kilometers across, about the size of Los Angeles. But even if we ignore damage from geological activity, the minimal agent of destruction would be asteroid impacts. The Jezero Crater itself is the product of a giant impactor.


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Planets like Mars or Earth could have given multiple births to technological civilizations that were a billion years apart and hence were not aware of each other. Like stable parents, the planets recovered from the environmental impact of these civilizations over time. We may have been separated in time from siblings that we never had the opportunity to meet and so we are unaware of their existence. Except for one caveat. If early Martians and earthlings ventured into space, some of their devices may still be functioning in the Solar System. In that case, old flying gadgets could be a source of some of the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena in reports from the Director of National Intelligence to the US Congress.


Ponder if we really live in “2022”
Posted by Penrod
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Posted on 12/26/22 at 9:21 am to
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So drastic sea level changes happened in short amounts of time prior to the industrial age? Wouldn't this imply that it's not something that is caused by humans burning fossil fuels?

No. It implies nothing at all.

When I graduated from college I was given a car. Does this imply that each time since then that I’ve gotten a car I graduated from college again?
Posted by ChineseBandit58
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Posted on 12/26/22 at 9:21 am to
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Michener , 40 years ago described this flooding rise with detail in his novel Alaska

hmmm - I have read all of Michener's books and loved them all - somehow this story has escaped my memory. Will have to dig that one out and re-read - thanx.

My fundamental takeaway from that book was the opening about 'terrains' - first time I had heard that word - plate tectonics was fairly new theory when that was written.
Posted by immobileman
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Posted on 12/26/22 at 9:41 am to
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Ponder if we really live in “2022”


I’ve slightly gone down this rabbit hole regarding the world’s Fairs in the late 1800’s/early 1900’s in St. Louis, Chicago and Frisco. Each of these cities built a couple of hundred buildings in a matter of 2 years or so. The fairs lasted 6 months and then 99% of the buildings are destroyed.

From the pictures, these building are architectural marvels in beauty and design. Why would you build these structures as temporary as they claim to begin with? Who would have had the money to build them and then tear them down? Why are the few remaining building still functioning if built 120 years ago as temporary? Even in the few pictures we see, some building look aged/weathered beyond their, just built narrative.

It really is quite strange. As recently as a week ago it was demonstrated the our government used Twitter as a psy op. When you tune it at 6:00, the “news” is going to tell you the next “story.” Maybe we’ve been lied to for longer than we know? All I know is those who write the history books get to tell the history.

A YT if interested
This post was edited on 12/26/22 at 9:48 am
Posted by Flats
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Posted on 12/26/22 at 9:48 am to
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No. It implies nothing at all.


He overstated it but so did you.

It clearly proves that sea level changes are not necessarily due to humans burning fossil fuels, just like your analogy proves that you owning a car was not necessary to your survival, as you plainly survived prior to college.
Posted by IceTiger
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Posted on 12/26/22 at 11:24 am to
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It clearly proves that sea level changes are not necessarily due to humans burning fossil fuels, just like your analogy proves that you owning a car was not necessary to your survival, as you plainly survived prior to college


Up to this point, absolutely zero sea level change was due to human activity.

Hubris, these people have none.

Oh, and we have a building sized meteor coming in in 2029. That'll be fun.
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 12/26/22 at 12:29 pm to
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It's a curiosity that the Ice Age ended with record flooding and catastrophic manmade global warming, and it coincided with the advent and spread of agriculture in the Middle East, Southern Europe and East Asia. No doubt the proliferation of large farm animals and their production of greenhouse gases made for a drastically warmer planet as the Neolithic Age transitioned into the Bronze Age.






YES! YES! MEN CREATED THE FLOODS WITH EMISSIONS

stop copying and pasting trash from DU. it makes you look dumber than you are .
Posted by Flats
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Posted on 12/26/22 at 1:01 pm to
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it makes you look dumber than you are .


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