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re: Can someone explain PGA tour average driver distance in this chart
Posted on 5/3/24 at 8:56 pm to ell_13
Posted on 5/3/24 at 8:56 pm to ell_13
You keep trying to explain average to me but you are the one that doesn’t understand it
The point of average is to take out mishits, nukes, downwind, upwind, downhill, uphill, cold, hot, three finger iron, back foot iron, etc. That’s what an average is for. To get enough data to neutralize those variables. The variables are there, but they become marginalized as data overtakes it
So, you beleive Rory’s stock non-variable effected driver is297 carry and Harmans is 272 and the average stock 6 iron is 188. I disagree. I think trackman is doing their best analyzing an almost impossible amount of shots and clubs etc and it’s off
The point of average is to take out mishits, nukes, downwind, upwind, downhill, uphill, cold, hot, three finger iron, back foot iron, etc. That’s what an average is for. To get enough data to neutralize those variables. The variables are there, but they become marginalized as data overtakes it
So, you beleive Rory’s stock non-variable effected driver is297 carry and Harmans is 272 and the average stock 6 iron is 188. I disagree. I think trackman is doing their best analyzing an almost impossible amount of shots and clubs etc and it’s off
This post was edited on 5/3/24 at 8:58 pm
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Posted on 5/3/24 at 8:58 pm to lsupride87
Your OP has been answered. People have explained how the numbers are generated and why they may seem off to you. Your decision to ignore the reasonable, logical answers backed up by the pga tour and trackman is plain moronic. And you won’t change your mind regardless of the proof. So I’m done here.
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FFS. An average is meant to include those things. Always has. You can normalize it but that’s not what they’re doing. It’s real life situations. Stock yardages are certainly different. It’s where you’d expect a full, well-hit shot to go on a flat surface with no wind. That’s not what Trackman is for unless you are getting fitted and it makes those adjustments. It’s that simple. Okay. Now I’m done.
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The point of average is to take out mishits, nukes, downwind, upwind, downhill, uphill, cold, hot, three finger iron, back foot iron, etc. That’s what an average is for. To get enough data to neutralize those variables. The variables are there, but they become marginalized as data overtakes it So, you beleive Rory’s stock non-variable effected driver is297 carry and Harmans is 272 and the average stock 6 iron is 188. I disagree.
FFS. An average is meant to include those things. Always has. You can normalize it but that’s not what they’re doing. It’s real life situations. Stock yardages are certainly different. It’s where you’d expect a full, well-hit shot to go on a flat surface with no wind. That’s not what Trackman is for unless you are getting fitted and it makes those adjustments. It’s that simple. Okay. Now I’m done.
This post was edited on 5/3/24 at 9:02 pm
Posted on 5/3/24 at 9:04 pm to ell_13
quote:Correct. But for every low entry there is an above average entry. Hence, avaerage
An average is meant to include those things
This is exactly what an average is. You believe if Rory McIlroy was about to hit a drive and you had to guess the carry number to win a million bucks, the best guess is 297 yards.
Sorry, I think you are full of shite if you told me that would be your number
Posted on 5/3/24 at 9:11 pm to lsupride87
Ok ell come back 
I just noticed 4 iron on the chart. 209 yard average. Bro. Come on. Please tell me how that number is possible. You telling me pros are feathering 195 yard 4 irons at time?
Dude that number is the most egregious
I just noticed 4 iron on the chart. 209 yard average. Bro. Come on. Please tell me how that number is possible. You telling me pros are feathering 195 yard 4 irons at time?
Dude that number is the most egregious
Posted on 5/3/24 at 9:19 pm to lsupride87
quote:Holy shite
The point of average is to take out mishits, nukes, downwind, upwind, downhill, uphill, cold, hot, three finger iron, back foot iron, etc. That’s what an average is for.
Posted on 5/3/24 at 9:20 pm to AlxTgr
Please explain. The entire premise of an average is the low points, high points, AVERAGE out
Yes there is mishits, but there is also nukes
Yes there is agaisnt wind, but there is also with the wind. With data, the average helps to neutralize outliers on both ends of the spectrum, hence average
The term take out doesn’t literally mean remove them, it means they AVERAGE OUT So the average number becomes the most expected outcome
Yes there is mishits, but there is also nukes
Yes there is agaisnt wind, but there is also with the wind. With data, the average helps to neutralize outliers on both ends of the spectrum, hence average
The term take out doesn’t literally mean remove them, it means they AVERAGE OUT
So the average number becomes the most expected outcome This post was edited on 5/3/24 at 9:23 pm
Posted on 5/3/24 at 9:24 pm to lsupride87
LINK .
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Playing into the wind has more effect on your golf ball than playing downwind. Most golfers don’t realise that the wind has far more effect on your golf ball when playing into the wind than it does from any other direction. As an example if you are playing in a 30mph wind, a drive that is hit directly into the wind will usually lose around 55 yards of carry. If you hit the same drive with the same 30mph wind behind you, your drive will only carry around 25 yards further. Playing into the wind also accentuates any slice or hook spin on the ball causing the ball to veer further offline. Playing downwind actually reduces the effect of any sidespin and keeps your ball more online.
Posted on 5/3/24 at 9:26 pm to ell_13
Average 4 iron carry of 209 ell. Either pros shank it 40% of the time or they constantly play in 25 mph headwinds while trackman is there
This post was edited on 5/3/24 at 9:27 pm
Posted on 5/3/24 at 9:30 pm to lsupride87
The fact that you think it’s some special outlier is pretty telling of your ignorance of golf in general and how the pros play it. Look at every iron… 10-12 yard gaps. That is very intentional. The 4i is right where it should be based on the data given. You also probably haven’t noticed the angles of decent and peak heights. Also very intentional by these guys. Most controllable while still being able to get the distance when they need it.
Posted on 5/3/24 at 9:33 pm to ell_13
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According to Trackman data on the driving range Wednesday, McIlroy hits the new 4-iron over 250 yards, with ball speeds around 155 mph.
So Rory a smooth 41 yards above average on the 4 iron according to the same source
only 12 though on driver 
This post was edited on 5/3/24 at 9:34 pm
Posted on 5/3/24 at 11:16 pm to lsupride87
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Ken taught me how to carry it 275. I traded tennis lessons for golf lessons
So you’re the one who fricked up his elbow
Posted on 5/3/24 at 11:23 pm to lsupride87
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They also hit 6 irons into 210 yard par 3s
Off a tee on a perfectly flat tee box. A little different than 95% of 6 iron shots.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 5:06 am to lsupride87
My own “data”:
1. My ball speed increases exponential IF there is a hazard or boundary stake in the path of that ball.
Me: “how far to the pond?” 203 yards.
Me: takes 180 yard Club, swings, but some how CARRIES 210 into breeze splashing in pond.
2. Scruffy, experienced golf balls are more afraid of water than new ones out of the box.
3. Where/when i take a bad swing it crucial to scoring. A “top” can look splendid after the rollout, but “using the ground” FAT never really works.
1. My ball speed increases exponential IF there is a hazard or boundary stake in the path of that ball.
Me: “how far to the pond?” 203 yards.
Me: takes 180 yard Club, swings, but some how CARRIES 210 into breeze splashing in pond.
2. Scruffy, experienced golf balls are more afraid of water than new ones out of the box.
3. Where/when i take a bad swing it crucial to scoring. A “top” can look splendid after the rollout, but “using the ground” FAT never really works.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 6:53 am to lsupride87
I really wish there was a tennis board so you would leave this place alone. My goodness.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 8:13 am to JohnnyKilroy
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So you’re the one who fricked up his elbow
No no. I’m the one trying to save his elbow from his crappy form
Posted on 5/4/24 at 8:19 am to lsupride87
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This is exactly what an average is. You believe if Rory McIlroy was about to hit a drive and you had to guess the carry number to win a million bucks, the best guess is 297 yards.
Sorry, I think you are full of shite if you told me that would be your number
Just chiming in to say you are being completely logical and I’m not sure why people are trying to argue so much against you on this.
Life on the line for a Rory drive in normal conditions I’m guessing something like 312.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 9:09 am to PhiTiger1764
quote:Scenario would be life on the line and you don’t know the conditions
Just chiming in to say you are being completely logical and I’m not sure why people are trying to argue so much against you on this. Life on the line for a Rory drive in normal conditions I’m guessing something like 312.
You might get normal, you might get downwind, against wind, cold, hot, etc. Gun to your head though you had to guess before knowing conditions what his drive carry would be
Mine would be 310 ish as well
Same goes for Harman. I’m not guessing 270
quote:Because it’s me
Just chiming in to say you are being completely logical and I’m not sure why people are trying to argue so much against you on this.
If I would have started a thread saying “I bet pros average carry a 4 iron 209” they would have piled on as well
This post was edited on 5/4/24 at 9:11 am
Posted on 5/4/24 at 1:34 pm to lsupride87
quote:If you were watching the byron nelson a few mins ago you saw keith mitchell drive it about 270 carry on the first tee and then the next guy they showed who hit driver went 267 carry.
I don’t think I have seen a single player hit in as short as 282 carry with a driver ever when I am watching.
This post was edited on 5/4/24 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 5/4/24 at 1:48 pm to JohnnyKilroy
Didn’t see Mitchell’s group. Saw knapps and they both hit 3 wood
Posted on 5/4/24 at 1:50 pm to lsupride87
The 1:45 group Wallace hit driving iron then kraft hit driver
Eta:
Wallace pulled out 7 iron for a 160 shot from the fairway. Kraft then hit a 9 iron from 145 out and left it 10 yards short.
Also
Incorrect. Troy Merritt hit driver and carried it 261.
Congrats OP. You saw your first tour drive less than 282.
Eta:
Wallace pulled out 7 iron for a 160 shot from the fairway. Kraft then hit a 9 iron from 145 out and left it 10 yards short.
Also
quote:quote:
they both hit 3 wood
Incorrect. Troy Merritt hit driver and carried it 261.
Congrats OP. You saw your first tour drive less than 282.
This post was edited on 5/4/24 at 2:01 pm
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