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re: Who should the main target be?
Posted on 5/14/24 at 10:14 am to Mickey Goldmill
Posted on 5/14/24 at 10:14 am to Mickey Goldmill
That is the Trae Young experience. Accumulation of counting stats, regardless of shooting efficiency or working within an offense, while also giving you historically bad defense 
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Posted on 5/14/24 at 10:16 am to Pels_Yaz
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Why do you think Allen has no value?
Teams know CLE has to move him, similar to ATL and Murray at the deadline. The difference is ATL could keep Murray while CLE can't keep Allen.
This is the deal ATL couldn't finalize with LAL at the deadline:
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Hawks Trade Murray to the Lakers for Rui Hachimura, Jalen Hood-Schifino, 2029 1st round pick, 2030 first-round pick.
I believe the holdup was the Lakers not wanting to include the 2nd, 1st
This post was edited on 5/14/24 at 10:17 am
Posted on 5/14/24 at 10:17 am to SlowFlowPro
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The path to Mobley theoretically becoming available is a combination of (1) DMitch forcing his way out (which is likely) and (2) Allen's value tanking to like a 2nd or protected 1st way in the future (which is possible). Will CLE just give Allen away for nothing? When Dmitch screws up what they've built after getting some post-Lebron playoff success?
Why would they move their best young player in Mobley if Dmitch asks out?
Im telling you, all reports out of Cleveland for months have been that Mobley is untouchable, and if they feel forced to move someone, it will be Allen. His performance so far in the playoffs has only reinforced that belief. I hate to burst people’s bubble, but there is no possible way Mobley is going to be on the Pels next year.
It’s perfectly okay to change your mind dude, it’s understandable to not be the most knowledgeable on every subject.
Posted on 5/14/24 at 10:18 am to Baron
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Why would they move their best young player in Mobley if Dmitch asks out?
I already said, if they're offered peanuts for Allen and want to stay in playoff mode (after having to deal DMitch).
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Im telling you, all reports out of Cleveland for months have been that Mobley is untouchable, and if they feel forced to move someone, it will be Allen.
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It’s perfectly okay to change your mind dude,
I don't need to, as I said this:
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That's the top tier. The top 2 are unrealistic but a path (having to do with their team's implosion, not our desirability) to becoming available. Will cost godfather offers.
I'm already covered on this.
Posted on 5/14/24 at 10:33 am to SlowFlowPro
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Teams know CLE has to move him, similar to ATL and Murray at the deadline. The difference is ATL could keep Murray while CLE can't keep Allen.
I’m going to respectfully disagree here (trying to appease people who get offended when two people have arguments on this board). There is argumeny to be made Mobley should be moved.
Mobley- I agree was the better big coming into the season but I’m not sure if Allen didn’t have a better season. But cleveland seems like they prefer Mobley so I honestly don’t know what they’ll do and how they’ll reshape their team if Mitchell wants to leave.
Posted on 5/14/24 at 10:41 am to SlowFlowPro
You also said this
I’m telling you, you are incorrect. Your understanding of the Cavs valuations of Garland and Mobley are backwards.
This is also incorrect. Allen’s value doesn’t affect Mobley. It makes no sense that they would move him to “stay in playoff mode.” He keeps them in “playoff mode.” He also makes 11 million next year. Teams in “playoff mode” need his kind of production at that price.
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I don't consider Garland available in any circumstance,
I’m telling you, you are incorrect. Your understanding of the Cavs valuations of Garland and Mobley are backwards.
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I already said, if they're offered peanuts for Allen and want to stay in playoff mode (after having to deal DMitch).
This is also incorrect. Allen’s value doesn’t affect Mobley. It makes no sense that they would move him to “stay in playoff mode.” He keeps them in “playoff mode.” He also makes 11 million next year. Teams in “playoff mode” need his kind of production at that price.
This post was edited on 5/14/24 at 10:42 am
Posted on 5/14/24 at 10:42 am to Balsamic_duck
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I agree that Trae holds the ball too much but you dont average 11 APG by accident. Trae is a very good passer and distributor.
I think the point is that Trae Young gives you a different, but equally bad situation that BI gives you. He’s a stat hog that doesn’t play winning basketball. I think a Trae/Mccollum backcourt is one of the worst defensive pairings in the league and that combo takes the ball out of everyone else’s hands way too much.
Posted on 5/14/24 at 10:44 am to supe12sta12z
quote:Of course
That's silly. He's one of the best passers in the league. His assists are not random
There's a whole bunch of issues with Trae, but the idea that he's not one of the best passers in the league is silly.
Posted on 5/14/24 at 10:46 am to shel311
I'm out on the Trae thing, which means we will almost certainly trade for Trae now
Posted on 5/14/24 at 10:47 am to Tigerfan14
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I think the point is that Trae Young gives you a different, but equally bad situation that BI gives you. He’s a stat hog that doesn’t play winning basketball. I think a Trae/Mccollum backcourt is one of the worst defensive pairings in the league and that combo takes the ball out of everyone else’s hands way too much.
I know people don’t like Trae and I have my issues with him but I wouldn’t compare him to BI. Hes an offensive machine who has won in the playoffs, offensively is made for todays NBA and can help your team win.
That being said he has major defensive issues and you likely have to trade CJ if you get Trae. But the dynamic of a Trae/Zion pick and roll would be ridiculously fun to watch.
Posted on 5/14/24 at 10:47 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:About 95% of everything you've said about Trae in this thread, you can swap Trae with Luka and it would still work perfectly.
That is the Trae Young experience. Accumulation of counting stats, regardless of shooting efficiency or working within an offense, while also giving you historically bad defense
Posted on 5/14/24 at 10:48 am to Pels_Yaz
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There is argumeny to be made Mobley should be moved.
I think it's less likely (and would obviously cost exponentially more) but yes, clearly I agree.
CLE went all in to win now with the super-high cost of DMitch. Now he's likely to be moved (for a large haircut on what they paid), and Allen/Mobley can't co-exist. They have to juggle a lot if they want to remain a playoff team or not, and what "not" looks like moving forward without a full set of picks. Mobley could get them those picks. Allen may not get them much.
Similar issues can happen with MIA and Bam, if Jimmy wants out.
That's why I said it would take team implosions for either to get to the point of being available.
Posted on 5/14/24 at 10:50 am to Fun Bunch
quote:Just start a thread about him, he'll get hurt this offseason because of you, and you'll be safe!
I'm out on the Trae thing, which means we will almost certainly trade for Trae now
I'm not in on Trae as a top option, but SFP just says some really absurd shite about Trae over and over.
Posted on 5/14/24 at 10:50 am to shel311
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About 95% of everything you've said about Trae in this thread, you can swap Trae with Luka and it would still work perfectly.
Yeah but Luka obviously impacts the game more, likely due to his size and physicality. Let's not act like Luka hasn't been taking some shots for his style of play until somehow he managed to get Kyrie to not be crazy this one year
Posted on 5/14/24 at 10:52 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Before this season
Yeah but Luka obviously impacts the game more
Playoff games played
Luka 28
Trae 27
On-Off
Luka +2.7
Trae +2.6
So Luka has this year's playoff run where he's separating himself in games played. And it's not about if Trae is as good as Luka, he's not. I'm just pointing out that everything you're saying in this thread about Trae also applies to Luka.
Posted on 5/14/24 at 10:52 am to SlowFlowPro
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I think it's less likely (and would obviously cost exponentially more) but yes, clearly I agree
Wheres NOSHAU? Its possible we can agree!!!
You’re right on the team implosions and to me both have stuff boiling to the surface. Question will be can pels take advantage of the issues cleveland has and get either Mobley/Allen.
Posted on 5/14/24 at 10:53 am to Tigerfan14
My response isn't really about defending Young but to point out that any move we make for the long term should only have our core in consideration. CJ is a short term guy with two years left on the contact, we should be thinking about the long term rather the short term for a major move like this.
Posted on 5/14/24 at 10:54 am to Baron
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I’m telling you, you are incorrect. Your understanding of the Cavs valuations of Garland and Mobley are backwards.
It's not about valuation, it's about team-ready replacements.
If they were to deal Mobley, it would be to keep Allen (among other reasons). There is no replacement for Garland if Mitchell is out to a big market.
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It makes no sense that they would move him to “stay in playoff mode.”
That depends entirely on the haircut they take on trading Mitchell
We've seen what Garland and Mobley look like, and it led them to trade for DMitch
Posted on 5/14/24 at 10:56 am to shel311
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Before this season
Playoff games played
Luka 28
Trae 27
On-Off
Luka +2.7
Trae +2.6
Again, Luka was having the same questions asked, with one miracle run.
Also, Luka was doing that in the West.
And Luka isn't a historically bad defender.
Posted on 5/14/24 at 10:57 am to Pels_Yaz
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Question will be can pels take advantage of the issues cleveland has and get either Mobley/Allen.
It would suit us a lot better than trying to be disadvantaged against a team like Utah, who can wait (and Ainge will wait, even if his assets evaporate)
ATL is also imploding, but I just don't want Trae (clearly). We passed on the opportunity to get Murray for peanuts at the deadline.
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