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re: Crew of the Dali (ship that hit Baltimore bridge) still trapped on board the ship

Posted on 5/16/24 at 10:32 am to
Posted by redstick13
Lower Saxony
Member since Feb 2007
38626 posts
Posted on 5/16/24 at 10:32 am to
I’m sure they are all just passing the time on whatever India’s version of Tigerdroppings is. All of them bragging about being Mumbai ballers and rickshaw nuts.
This post was edited on 5/16/24 at 10:35 am
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
32073 posts
Posted on 5/16/24 at 10:32 am to
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give them some accommodation.


They have accommodations. The same accommodations they would have if they hadn’t ran into the bridge.


What’s the problem again?


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If they are being detained for some crime, put them in jail



Sounds like they are being detained as it is. They can’t be charged with anything yet.
Posted by Czechessential
Member since Apr 2024
859 posts
Posted on 5/16/24 at 10:32 am to
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whatever India’s version of Tigerdroppings i


*Hindunuffins
Posted by Lsuhoohoo
Member since Sep 2007
94845 posts
Posted on 5/16/24 at 10:37 am to
Can't they just swim to shore and claim asylum?
Posted by Spoonbilla
Member since Aug 2022
788 posts
Posted on 5/16/24 at 10:38 am to
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Not go roam free, but at least put them up in some accommodations


In Baltimore? Chris and Snoop open a Motel 6?
Posted by RaginCajunz
Member since Mar 2009
5422 posts
Posted on 5/16/24 at 10:38 am to
Can they navigate that ship down to the gulf and hop off at the Mexico border? No visa restrictions down there
Posted by 0x15E
Outer Space
Member since Sep 2020
12828 posts
Posted on 5/16/24 at 11:15 am to
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They must be stir crazy…. I could understand like two weeks max. But after this long?????


How will they ever make it across the ocean??
Posted by busbeepbeep
When will then be now?
Member since Jan 2004
18371 posts
Posted on 5/16/24 at 1:07 pm to
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The conspiracy theorist in me is impressed that none of them have been interviewed on the deck yet though


I could see it going like this

Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
28266 posts
Posted on 5/16/24 at 1:11 pm to
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Mumbai ballers and rickshaw nuts.

Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
25887 posts
Posted on 5/16/24 at 1:28 pm to
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What I still want to know is why did potato head Joe say the US government was paying for the damages rather than the company that owns the ship?


Sorry to be blunt but this is just a stupid or at least ignorant take. The litigation for this allision is going to go on for years if not a decade. Anyone that thinks it would be wise to wait until the claims are paid to start clearing the channel and rebuilding the bridge is themselves a potatohead. Someone has to front the money to start the process timely and given it impacts both interstate and intercountry commerce it makes sense the federal government would in large part be the one to step forward. There will be some recovery from the various parties involved but waiting for the highly complex litigation to be completed would be unwise to say the least.
Posted by WillieD
Lafayette/BR
Member since Apr 2014
2044 posts
Posted on 5/16/24 at 1:34 pm to
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probably better than the living conditions in Baltimore


FIFY
Posted by Thundercles
Mars
Member since Sep 2010
5135 posts
Posted on 5/16/24 at 4:19 pm to
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Sounds like they are being detained as it is. They can’t be charged with anything yet.


if they're being detained, they should be in jail. If they're free to go, they should be free to go. Leaving people in limbo in perpetuity is fricked up.
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
32073 posts
Posted on 5/16/24 at 4:31 pm to
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they're being detained, they should be in jail. If they're free to go, they should be free to go. Leaving people in limbo in perpetuity is fricked up.




Don’t run into bridges without a visa in a foreign country then


You are acting like they are being tortured and starved.

They are in the exact conditions they would be in at sea on the way to Sri Lanka.
Posted by Das Jackal
Da Bayou
Member since Sep 2011
2601 posts
Posted on 5/16/24 at 8:24 pm to
So the US tax payer should be on the hook for yet some more BS.. your name checks out
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
9619 posts
Posted on 5/16/24 at 8:42 pm to
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So the US tax payer should be on the hook for yet some more BS.. your name checks out

So to be clear - your stance is that nothing should be done until the case plays out in court?
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
25887 posts
Posted on 5/16/24 at 9:04 pm to
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So the US tax payer should be on the hook for yet some more BS.. your name checks out


Sometimes you can't fix stupid.

Let's set aside the limits on liability for now and try to handhold you through the process.

You have to understand there are multiple entities that may share some responsibility. They all have various claims that will be made by multiple plaintiffs. This will likely result in protracted complex litigation in multiple courts around the globe. Companies and insurance carriers won't be paying out for years because they are not going to pay until the claims are made, verified, and likely litigated. Starting to pay out now would potentially put them at risk of higher liability.

The channel and Key bridge are both important to interstate and intercountry commerce. As a result, the channel needs to be cleared and the bridge needs to be rebuilt as quickly as possible. The channel is close to being cleared (they have opened smaller channels already) but the bridge will still take a long time. Waiting for the monies from companies and insurance to be paid would have a significant lasting effect on commerce. It only makes sense for the government to front the money and get the projects rolling, anything else would be beyond stupid.

A less than perfect analogy would be if a company using a rental truck knocked over a power pole and it crashed into your roof and opened a 15x20 foot hole in your roof. In this case, you are self-insured. If it was clear it would take years before the various responsible entities would pay the claims would you just sit there with a hole in your roof? Provided you had the money to effect repairs you would do it. You wouldn't like it but it would be the only sane thing to do. At some point, you would get whatever portion of the liability paid by the companies/insurance.

Ship ownership, operators, and liability are not straight forward and in this case there are 100s of plaintiffs with the federal government and Baltimore port being just two of them. All of this is set in the shadow of The Limitation of Liability Act of 1851. You don't have to understand it but one way or another you have to accept someone has to front the money for the channel and bridge repairs or it won't start for years. It is unlikely the government or any one of the plaintiffs will get dollar for dollar compensation for their losses. While you see this as an obtuse take it is actually acute for someone that has the slightest understanding of what has and will go on in the legal realm.

If you want to continue to play Don Quixote at least lay out how you think things should proceed.
Posted by CroakaBait
Gulf Coast of the Land Mass
Member since Nov 2013
3978 posts
Posted on 5/16/24 at 10:05 pm to
This happens every couple of months on the Mississippi when ships collide with something. Admiralty law is fascinating, honestly.
Posted by brass2mouth
NOLA
Member since Jul 2007
19722 posts
Posted on 5/16/24 at 10:42 pm to
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the US tax payer should be on the hook for yet some more BS.. your name checks out


If anyone is being “obtuse” here, it’s you.
Posted by Saunson69
Member since May 2023
1930 posts
Posted on 5/16/24 at 10:46 pm to
Not sure what country this came from, but a lot of these impoverished countries/companies will stiff them saying they weren't working while stranded on the ship and go home with a normal trips pay.
This post was edited on 5/16/24 at 10:47 pm
Posted by WyattDonnelly
Member since Feb 2024
207 posts
Posted on 5/17/24 at 1:31 am to
You’re thinking of cruise ships. They go through agencies and pluck these desperate people from all over the third world countries. People who just want to make a few dollars. Now that life is awful.
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