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re: How can a team with King James keep getting bounced early in the playoffs?

Posted on 5/1/24 at 12:31 pm to
Posted by bamameister
Right here, right now
Member since May 2016
14275 posts
Posted on 5/1/24 at 12:31 pm to
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Bill Russell played a long time ago.


So did MJ. But you just keep doing the math.
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
Member since Jun 2022
6672 posts
Posted on 5/1/24 at 12:37 pm to
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Championships matter in the modern era

and 4 is plenty to prove that Lebron is capable of winning several of them.

It isn't like he is Durant with 1.

He has reached the bar of winning championships. He ran into an all time great Warriors team that we've never seen a team like, and a great Spurs team with revenge on their mind from him beating them the year before.

If you think Jordan is better then it is because you think he is better. not because he won 6 rings and Lebron won 4 haha.

Just like you don't think Horry or Bill are better because they won 7 and 11.
Posted by NawlinsTiger9
Where the mongooses roam
Member since Jan 2009
34916 posts
Posted on 5/1/24 at 12:41 pm to
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Hell he hasn’t even been a top 10 player since before Covid.


Ehhh that’s a bit of an exaggeration
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
Member since Jun 2022
6672 posts
Posted on 5/1/24 at 12:44 pm to
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Hell he hasn’t even been a top 10 player since before Covid.


Ehhh that’s a bit of an exaggeration

especially since he won a championship during covid and put up a 30.2 PER in the playoffs.
Posted by mtnhighTiger
Scottsdale, AZ
Member since Jan 2010
3943 posts
Posted on 5/1/24 at 1:00 pm to
They need to bring back Jerry West and let him have full control over building the team.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66711 posts
Posted on 5/1/24 at 3:27 pm to
LBJ isn’t the best player in the NBA right now, but there is no reason to be a 7th seed with James and AD and good role players.
Posted by bulldog95
North Louisiana
Member since Jan 2011
20726 posts
Posted on 5/1/24 at 4:25 pm to
He’s no MJ
Posted by TigerNutts
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2011
2613 posts
Posted on 5/1/24 at 4:29 pm to
LeBron is the same age now as MJ was in his Wizards run. Don't forget that.
Posted by theballguy
Colorado Springs, CO
Member since Oct 2011
2340 posts
Posted on 5/1/24 at 8:07 pm to
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How can a team with King James keep getting bounced early in the playoffs?



To be fair, his supporting cast just doesn't compare to Joker's supporting cast. That being said, Lebron is Lebitch.
Posted by Colonel Flagg
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
22812 posts
Posted on 5/1/24 at 9:05 pm to
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good role players.


His role players suck and are officiated favorably by being on the big market LA team.
Posted by Colonel Flagg
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
22812 posts
Posted on 5/1/24 at 9:07 pm to
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there is no reason to be a 7th seed with James and AD


AD was not the best team up as he plays where old man James should be playing at a stretch 4/small ball 5.
Posted by TackySweater
Member since Dec 2020
11950 posts
Posted on 5/1/24 at 9:22 pm to
What about it
Posted by Dairy Sanders
Member since Apr 2022
845 posts
Posted on 5/1/24 at 9:35 pm to
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especially since he won a championship during covid and put up a 30.2 PER in the playoffs.


Lol the Disney Summer Camp league title huh?

What’s funny is you will count a joke of a title for the Lakers in the summer of 2020 but I bet you will also dismiss Alabama’s 2020 season and call LSU’s 2019 the better season.
Posted by Tasseo
Member since Feb 2024
662 posts
Posted on 5/1/24 at 9:47 pm to
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How can a team with King James keep getting bounced early in the playoffs?

Better question is how can a grown man look himself in the mirror after referring to another man as "king"??
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
35572 posts
Posted on 5/1/24 at 10:14 pm to
"LeBron doesn't elevate his teammates, they have to diminish themselves for him. He hasn't mastered the art of basketball like Magic, Bird, Isiah, Jordan....he doesn't make anyone around him better.". - Jason Whitlock

That can be an argument worthy of an explanation to your question.
Posted by Colonel Flagg
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
22812 posts
Posted on 5/1/24 at 11:47 pm to
That is a stupid Whitlock quote that was said for clicks. I am not even a fan anymore as I can’t stand the Lakers, but he has clearly been a team basketball player his entire career and expanded/improved his game.
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
35572 posts
Posted on 5/2/24 at 12:51 am to
See Dwayne Wade before LeBron. See Dwayne Wade with LeBron. He was a ghost.... Instead of the generational player.
Posted by Basura Blanco
Member since Dec 2011
8232 posts
Posted on 5/2/24 at 1:26 am to
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but he has clearly been a team basketball player his entire career and expanded/improved his game.


It can be two things. He does play good team basketball, but he doesn't have the ability to make the players around him better. I believe he realized this early on which is why he bolted to the Heat to play on a team with already established superstars.

Lebron is similar to Jordan in his early years before he was able to modify his game and mindset to make his teammates better players. I don't like Lebron for his demeaner and the court shite, but I do respect his game and the fact he is one of the top 3-4 players of all-time.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46513 posts
Posted on 5/2/24 at 1:28 am to
Lebron isn’t even a top 3 player in his own conference anymore
Posted by Colonel Flagg
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
22812 posts
Posted on 5/2/24 at 1:41 am to
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See Dwayne Wade before LeBron. See Dwayne Wade with LeBron. He was a ghost.... Instead of the generational player.


That was solely because Dwayne Wade could not change his game to play any off ball.

Lebron dramatically got better as a shooter to play some off ball and spread the floor. Wade never did that and his whole game relied upon remaining ball dominant. That isn’t good for Wade when the far superior ball handler/scorer Lebron is on your team.

Again it was a bad team up because Wade could not play off ball. Wade is the entire reason they couldn’t win more because he never really expanded his game as the weaker player. Both Bosh and Lebron expanded their games to make that team up work. The only reason they weren’t better and more dominant is because of Wade.
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