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re: How misguided were kids when they chose grunge over hair metal?
Posted on 5/2/24 at 10:23 am to metallica81788
Posted on 5/2/24 at 10:23 am to metallica81788
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However the grunge alternative movement seriously harmed the guitar as an instrument for about two decades and glorified shitty musicians
Y’all act like punk hadn’t been around since the 70’s at that point. Grunge was a mix of metal and punk. It took the heavier more dour sound of late 80’s bands like Queensryche and blended it with the attitude of punk and hardcore. A lot of the early grunge musicians came from the hardcore scene, and punks and metal heads NEVER got along.
I think it’s also a big difference between who was making the music and why. The grunge guys tended to be heroin addicted nihilistic losers complaining of the meaninglessness of existence. The hair metal guys were a bunch of insecure coked out nerds cosplaying as what they imagined a cool person would be (sorta like how Donald Trump’s persona is what a homeless guy imagines a super rich person to be).
The metal guys were chasing fame so they could get laid. The grunge guys didn’t really want that. They were just making art. That’s why the metal artists embraced fame and being rock stars while the grunge guys largely fell apart under the spotlight.
They weren’t doing this to drink and f$&k, nor to be role models. If anything, they were actively trying to be the opposite.
The reality is that grunge was never really supposed to leave the underground artistic scene, but Geffen saw an opportunity and made a brilliant business decision. Grunge was commercialized and coopted by corporate america at record speed. It’s no surprise that it’s stars couldn’t handle it.
The reality was: metal had gotten stale. Thrash was still too unapproachable for mainstream audiences, and hair metal had gotten too cliche’d and corny. Audiences hungered for something more real. If it hadn’t been grunge, it would have been something else. Hip/hop was already blowing up at the same time. There’s a scenario where grunge doesn’t explode and instead: rock music is abandoned by mainstream culture at least 15 years sooner than it was in our timeline.
Like it or not, grunge and the bands it influenced, inspired, and shined a spotlight on helped keep rock relevant in mainstream culture well into the mid-late 2000’s.
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Posted on 5/2/24 at 8:19 pm to boogiewoogie1978
The “big 4” (Metallica, Slayer, Megadeath, and Anthrax) were more responsible for the death of hair metal than grunge imo. They redefined what hard rock sounded like and hair metal seemed corny and lame by comparison.
Posted on 5/2/24 at 8:54 pm to boogiewoogie1978
I don’t dislike hair metal but i really like grunge
Posted on 5/2/24 at 9:07 pm to S
I tend to like classic rock bands like AC/DC, Rush, Van Halen. Never a big fan of hardcore metal with the screaming, growling and cheesy guitar lyrics.
Posted on 5/2/24 at 9:26 pm to Brosef Stalin
This post was edited on 5/2/24 at 9:27 pm
Posted on 5/2/24 at 10:11 pm to metallica81788
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However the grunge alternative movement seriously harmed the guitar as an instrument for about two decades and glorified shitty musicians
Jerry Cantrell would like a word with you…..
Posted on 5/3/24 at 7:05 am to auwaterfowler
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Jerry Cantrell would like a word with you…..
AIC was the exception not the rule - and they are my favorite band of that era by far (the only one I willingly listen to)
Posted on 5/3/24 at 9:58 pm to boogiewoogie1978
All I listen to is Lithium on Sirius. Grunge FOREVER
Posted on 5/3/24 at 11:56 pm to timbo
. Unfortunate because Tom Kiefer was/is a very good song writer and musician. But, in my mind it was Warrant that did it in.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 3:56 am to KiwiHead
I don't really think grunge was a mix of hair metal and punk. I think grunge was sorta its own thing. The guitar riffs were different from the punk bands. Punk was all about really simple chords played fast with the lead singer shouting. I didn't get that vibe from the Seattle bands at all. Punk was also more energetic and "happy" while grunge was more "emo." Punk was all about combat boots, ripped jeans, suspenders, and spiked blue hair. That wasn't really the Seattle style.
And you have to separate grunge from alt rock. Grunge is a sub-category of alternative, but it's not all of alternative. Grunge itself only lasted about 5 years, then other forms of alt-rock took over. Alt rock was a thing going back to the early 80s, if not sooner. Then grunge came along and vanished. After that alt-rock continued on with a bit of grunge influence.
Then in the early 2000's nu metal took over and everything went to shite.
And you have to separate grunge from alt rock. Grunge is a sub-category of alternative, but it's not all of alternative. Grunge itself only lasted about 5 years, then other forms of alt-rock took over. Alt rock was a thing going back to the early 80s, if not sooner. Then grunge came along and vanished. After that alt-rock continued on with a bit of grunge influence.
Then in the early 2000's nu metal took over and everything went to shite.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 7:40 am to boogiewoogie1978
Grunge was mainstream rock’s last stand.
Hair metal had become a caricature by the early 90s.
Hair metal had become a caricature by the early 90s.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 8:19 am to AUstar
I won't argue your point at all. I think you are spot on in your review.. Grunge was its own thing and largely localized to bands coming out of the Seattle area. It was a lot darker than hair metal which was largely...."happy" . Hair Metal was a co-opt ,If you will, of pop and hard rock and the look was vastly different.
Grunge was all flannel, and rough hewn clothing, hair metal was spandex, teased hair and make up.....show time. Hair Metal had the power ballad, "Every Rose Has It's Thorn" and "Don't Know What You Got, 'til its Gone" sort of stuff.Grunge was angsty...it's tough to find a real love song / power ballad. Grunge reflected a certain existential if not a bit of nihilistic pain. You were not getting that really at all from the Hair Metal guys.
But what did Hair Metal in, I think, is that like other trends in music, the category got saturated and bands were out there that were just copying what other guys in the genre were doing. The final straw to me was Warrant. They seemed to be a cheap knock off of Poison. Who was something in look as a knock off of Motley Crue with the Spandex and makeup, etc.If you were hard rock, record labels were looking for a "look" All of them had to have a power ballad....and that overshadowed some really good music that they were making. Poison actually had some good music. CC Deville was a very good guitarist. Tom Kiefer....maybe one of the best songwriters and a multi instrumentalist...just to give some mainstream examples. Kip Winger was great as well. Mick Mars is vastly underrated as a guitarist and probably should get more love. There was a lot to like from the Hair Metal guys.....and it seemed they were having fun.
Musically, both of them were close. Grunge and Hair were different versions of the blues influenced guitar driven rock that had prevailed since rock music had been born. You could see in both of them the building on of work that was evident even from Carl Perkins back in thelate 50s, Link Wray, Jimi Hendrix (the original grunge ), EVH, etc.. You said Emo....I think that is a better description of the Seattle music than Grunge. There's darkness to it a feeling like they were saying...." Life is fricked up, I don't understand the world, so many contradictions, etc". But there was really good music out there apart from the overall depressing vibe from the lyrics. Pearl Jam still has tight arrangements,Cobain was a good guitarist. Soundgarten worked really well as a unit. STP was great as well....and Alice In Chains was WOW! to me...still is
For me, what really turned me off to rock music- aside from having a 10-12 hr a day career and kids, was the New Metal of Limp Bizkit and Korn and Pantera among others. The music lacks soul. It's guys just assaulting their guitars for the sake of assaulting their guitars ....and your ears. In my opinion there really was not much to recommend it. Just a bunch of fricked up looking dudes with tattoos screeching into a microphone and sped up guitar links and barely any real continuity. Never got the attraction that people had to it.
Grunge was all flannel, and rough hewn clothing, hair metal was spandex, teased hair and make up.....show time. Hair Metal had the power ballad, "Every Rose Has It's Thorn" and "Don't Know What You Got, 'til its Gone" sort of stuff.Grunge was angsty...it's tough to find a real love song / power ballad. Grunge reflected a certain existential if not a bit of nihilistic pain. You were not getting that really at all from the Hair Metal guys.
But what did Hair Metal in, I think, is that like other trends in music, the category got saturated and bands were out there that were just copying what other guys in the genre were doing. The final straw to me was Warrant. They seemed to be a cheap knock off of Poison. Who was something in look as a knock off of Motley Crue with the Spandex and makeup, etc.If you were hard rock, record labels were looking for a "look" All of them had to have a power ballad....and that overshadowed some really good music that they were making. Poison actually had some good music. CC Deville was a very good guitarist. Tom Kiefer....maybe one of the best songwriters and a multi instrumentalist...just to give some mainstream examples. Kip Winger was great as well. Mick Mars is vastly underrated as a guitarist and probably should get more love. There was a lot to like from the Hair Metal guys.....and it seemed they were having fun.
Musically, both of them were close. Grunge and Hair were different versions of the blues influenced guitar driven rock that had prevailed since rock music had been born. You could see in both of them the building on of work that was evident even from Carl Perkins back in thelate 50s, Link Wray, Jimi Hendrix (the original grunge ), EVH, etc.. You said Emo....I think that is a better description of the Seattle music than Grunge. There's darkness to it a feeling like they were saying...." Life is fricked up, I don't understand the world, so many contradictions, etc". But there was really good music out there apart from the overall depressing vibe from the lyrics. Pearl Jam still has tight arrangements,Cobain was a good guitarist. Soundgarten worked really well as a unit. STP was great as well....and Alice In Chains was WOW! to me...still is
For me, what really turned me off to rock music- aside from having a 10-12 hr a day career and kids, was the New Metal of Limp Bizkit and Korn and Pantera among others. The music lacks soul. It's guys just assaulting their guitars for the sake of assaulting their guitars ....and your ears. In my opinion there really was not much to recommend it. Just a bunch of fricked up looking dudes with tattoos screeching into a microphone and sped up guitar links and barely any real continuity. Never got the attraction that people had to it.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 8:42 am to KiwiHead
Nu Metal was all about energy. A lot of grunge stuff was very subdued and numb.
I find that popular music goes in cycles:
Happy/fun > sad/chill > angry/hyper > repeat.
Nu metal took what was catchy from hip/hop, the angst from grunge, and cranked the energy levels up to 100. People were tired of numb grunge and safe pop rock. They wanted something simultaneously less sad but more edgy they could let loose to. Watch videos from Woodstock 99, and that concert was lit AF. Limp Bizkit had those people losing their minds.
I find that popular music goes in cycles:
Happy/fun > sad/chill > angry/hyper > repeat.
Nu metal took what was catchy from hip/hop, the angst from grunge, and cranked the energy levels up to 100. People were tired of numb grunge and safe pop rock. They wanted something simultaneously less sad but more edgy they could let loose to. Watch videos from Woodstock 99, and that concert was lit AF. Limp Bizkit had those people losing their minds.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 8:55 am to boogiewoogie1978
“Hair bands” are just “boy bands” with
chlamydia…
chlamydia…
Posted on 5/4/24 at 10:15 am to boogiewoogie1978
Nancy Wilson claims responsibility for the grunge movement as she was providing house parties for all the key Seattle players.
Hair metal was awesome, but it was just as excessive and silly as rap metal 10 years later. Please lose interest when things are no longer authentic.
Granted, I’m pumped about seeing Limp Bizkit this summer.
Hair metal was awesome, but it was just as excessive and silly as rap metal 10 years later. Please lose interest when things are no longer authentic.
Granted, I’m pumped about seeing Limp Bizkit this summer.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 10:35 am to KiwiHead
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New Metal of Limp Bizkit and Korn and Pantera among others.
Today I learned that there's someone on Earth that thinks Pantera is Nu Metal.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 12:09 pm to Saintsisit
I personally never really saw much of a difference between Pantera and the Nu Metal guys other than maybe the guy from Korn was a slightly better singer than Phil Anselmo. Phil just sort of yelled in anger at the mike.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 12:18 pm to kingbob
Very UnWoodstock like. But Woodstock 99 was a shitshow from the start.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 2:54 pm to Saintsisit
There's a lot of really insane takes in this thread but this one might be the worst.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 3:34 pm to boogiewoogie1978
Hair metal is bad.
I cant even stand stuff I used to like in college.
Alice In Chains is my favorite from the grunge era and they took from rock bands like the doors and Black Sabbath and punk bands like the sex pistols.
The reason why bands like them were better is because the glam bands werent their influence.
I cant even stand stuff I used to like in college.
Alice In Chains is my favorite from the grunge era and they took from rock bands like the doors and Black Sabbath and punk bands like the sex pistols.
The reason why bands like them were better is because the glam bands werent their influence.
This post was edited on 5/4/24 at 3:40 pm
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