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re: Proof you don't have to sell boring beer to pay the bills
Posted on 9/9/15 at 1:44 pm to ragincajun03
Posted on 9/9/15 at 1:44 pm to ragincajun03
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Only two Louisiana-based breweries distribute outside of Louisiana, Abita and Bayou Teche.
Wrong. NOLA, Tin Roof and Chafunkta all distribute outside Louisiana. They've just gone east, not west.
Posted on 9/9/15 at 1:44 pm to AlxTgr
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Such a terrible idea. You limit your customers that way, and no one used to American lagers is going to make that jump in one step.
you hate IPAs
you don't count
#Hoplivesmatter
Posted on 9/9/15 at 1:46 pm to The Last Coco
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I have talked to enough people intimately familiar with the economics of craft beer sales in LA to know that the top sellers are almost always, across the board the "boring" beers. Maybe in 10 years the palates will shift to hoppier offerings, but in LA we still have lots and lots of new craft beer drinkers.
This ain't just Louisiana. Even in Oregon, the "boring" beers are the best sellers for most breweries. There are some breweries that specialize in certain styles, but even most of them have a pilsner or a wheat that they make to please the people who want their beer to taste as inoffensive as possible.
More breweries will open in LA. If they are fantastic, they will sell more beer than they can make and will have to expand production soon after startup to keep up with demand. If they are OK, they will probably still do OK, making boring beers that the locals will drink, just because people naturally support their local brewpubs.
Once LA has 5-6 good IPAs and 2-3 good DIPAs, then it won't seem like the breweries aren't making enough product - which seems to be the case with GitM and Grace and Grit. If you had a few more of those great DIPAs, then there should always be something on the shelves to scratch that itch. Right now, everyone scrambles for as much GitM as they can find, drink it, and then wait 2 months for the next batch to come out. There needs to be a few more out there to fill that void.
It will happen. I predict that within 1 year, there will be at least 2 really good IPAs being produced in LA that aren't being made right now.
Posted on 9/9/15 at 1:49 pm to LoneStarTiger
quote:That doesn't change anything. I have had enough of them to know, there has to be a gateway so to speak. Bud to IPA is kinda like Wolf to Woof. It can't happen overnight. Heck, for many, it can't happen at all.
you hate IPAs
you don't count
Posted on 9/9/15 at 1:50 pm to Jax-Tiger
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predict that within 1 year, there will be at least 2 really good IPAs being produced in LA that aren't being made right now.
Being produced and being packaged to reach mavens in the armpit of Louisiana are two different things.
How often do you hear people talking about Courtyard brewery here ?
Posted on 9/9/15 at 1:54 pm to AlxTgr
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there has to be a gateway so to speak.
I contend that it has already happened. I think there are enough people that know what an IPA is, and that they want to drink them
For others, they will follow the hype if the beer is great (see: Ghost)
There is a big hole in the Louisiana craft beer supply that a great IPA and/or session IPA can fit
Posted on 9/9/15 at 1:55 pm to TigerWise
Preach.
You think endeavor pays the bills for Brock wagner? Hell no. Fancy lawnmower does.
You think endeavor pays the bills for Brock wagner? Hell no. Fancy lawnmower does.
Posted on 9/9/15 at 1:58 pm to Jax-Tiger
There is a reason Chili's, McDonalds, etc are best sellers.....most people like familiarity, convenience and crap.
Posted on 9/9/15 at 2:03 pm to Tiger Ryno
But what's doing it for Lonepint? Yellow rose.
Posted on 9/9/15 at 2:05 pm to Tiger Ryno
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You think endeavor pays the bills for Brock wagner? Hell no. Fancy lawnmower does.
Yep. Lawnmower and Santo. That's what I see most people drinking from St. Arnolds.
Look, I would love for Andrew to ditch half his Canbrake output and replace it with a kick-arse IPA like LaCumbre Elevated. However, he ain't going to get people like my dad and most of my friends who love supporting local beer, but don't like the stuff that "smells like weed". Again, think of the average LSU/UL/LaTech tailgater.
Now, I do think a more flowery IPA like Yellow Rose (excellent, but not my persona favorite) could catch more of the anti-dank crowd, but as many as what Canebrake catches??
Posted on 9/9/15 at 2:10 pm to LoneStarTiger
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Make a kick arse single IPA and you won't be able to keep up with demand and will be printing money.
This. Or, just make really good standard styles. Make a great IPA, Stout, Saison, etc...
Leave the kingcake crawfish boil thistle wheat to the homebrews. Also, forget the blonde , cream, wheat, bland beers.
Posted on 9/9/15 at 2:12 pm to LoneStarTiger
quote:You're missing the point. Sure it has happened for many. It has for me as well in the sense that if Mung or BiggerBear only have IPAs I can actually finish one without spitting or throwing up. I would not have gotten there without magic Hat, St. Arnold and some others. Joe Six pack is not there, and isn't going to be there with a brand that only sells IPAs. Besides, if you're a good brewer, why not brew some of the good beers to go along with the preservative laden IPAs?
I contend that it has already happened. I think there are enough people that know what an IPA is, and that they want to drink them
Posted on 9/9/15 at 2:12 pm to LoneStarTiger
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Proof you don't have to sell boring beer to pay the bills
I've never bought into this argument. Since the start of the craft beer revolution, has there ever been a case of a poorly located brewery that makes awesome craft beer having to closer their doors?
Look at Toppling Goliath. Located in the middle of Iowa, at least several hours away from any major metropolitan area, and the demand for some of their beers has gotten so crazy that they've had to resort to lottery systems, secret releases, etc. for some of their stouts. Single bottles of their beers are selling for $500+ on the secondary market. And their hoppy stuff flies off the shelves garners a significant frenzy on its own.
This is not typical, but just goes to show that the sky is the limit, regardless of location. I'd argue that if you at least make exceptional beer, the beer nerds will find it.
Posted on 9/9/15 at 2:16 pm to BugAC
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Leave the kingcake crawfish boil thistle wheat to the homebrews. Also, forget the blonde , cream, wheat, bland beers.
Posted on 9/9/15 at 2:23 pm to ragincajun03
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Look, I would love for Andrew to ditch half his Canbrake output
I'm not saying he should either. Canebrake is an established beer, enjoyed by many throughout it's distribution
When Andrew started out, Canebrake was so popular that he had to devote most, if not all, of his resources into making enough to fill the demand in the markets he distributed to, and it did not allow him to make some of the beers he wanted to make, like Ghost and Grand Reserve.
You could do the same thing, starting up now, with a great IPA.
Posted on 9/9/15 at 2:31 pm to LoneStarTiger
This better mean that we get more KBS
Posted on 9/9/15 at 2:35 pm to TigerWise
Big fan of what Courtyard does with their hops
This post was edited on 9/9/15 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 9/9/15 at 2:39 pm to TigerHam85
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lone pint
Not in the same stratosphere as saint Arnold financially.
Posted on 9/9/15 at 2:42 pm to urinetrouble
The mavens will always fins the exceptional beers. There aren't enough of them in most cases to buy enough of it to make a brewery profitable...in most cases.
They aren't making a whole lot of the 5hundo on the secondary market...the guy who waited in line and paid 15 bucks is the one making that.
They aren't making a whole lot of the 5hundo on the secondary market...the guy who waited in line and paid 15 bucks is the one making that.
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