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Posted on 12/13/23 at 4:15 am to the808bass
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Genesis 12:3 is referencing Jesus. Not Israel. Just to be clear.
Just to be clear, you are clearly wrong. God was talking to Abraham.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 4:45 am to L.A.
European Jews were not in that region during Biblical times. The people of Judea and the people who now mostly inhabit Israel post 1948 are not the same. They are two totally different distinct groups of people. It’s not hard to understand this.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 5:20 am to FooManChoo
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Otherwise He will pour out His wrath on you for eternity for not only your rejection of the truth but for attempting to lead others astray.
Nice, Foo. Nice.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 5:21 am to the808bass
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It’s insightful that you didn’t know that. Sure.
Sometimes I think you’re a somewhat intelligent person (although you strike me as being a pathetic little bitch who I’m quite sure hates his home life), and other times, you seem like a complete idiot.
This post was edited on 12/13/23 at 5:23 am
Posted on 12/13/23 at 7:01 am to the808bass
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Or alternately, they used the same oral tradition.
No, Matthew and Luke copy word for word sometimes from Mark, and copy the events from Mark in order. Mark misquotes Isaiah 40:3 from the Septuagint. Then Matthew and Luke both misquote the same Isaiah 40:3 in an identical fashion to Mark. That’s no accident.
I’ll give you one more example but this time I’ll quote scripture.
Mark 13:14
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“But when you see the abomination of desolation standing where he ought not to be (let the reader understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
Matthew 24:15-16
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“So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
Matthew didn’t even bother to not copy Mark’s parenthetical note “let the reader understand”.
Though there were some common oral traditions, the real reason that Matthew redacted and attempted to replace Mark (and perhaps burn all the copies of Mark?) is that they had different oral traditions or at least different ideas and theology. Matthew edited Mark because he wanted Mark to say something different.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 7:08 am to FooManChoo
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FooManChoo
The LORD hardens the hearts of whoever he wants. Romans 9:18
The LORD makes peace and creates evil (not Satan). Isaiah 45:7
The LORD’s messiah was a Zoroastrian Persian emperor. Isaiah 45:1
You believe that the ancient human species Homo Erectus was the species of human present at the Tower of Babel event (which also did not exist). You have blinded yourself into a realm of pure stupidity.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 7:19 am to the808bass
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Genesis 12:3 is referencing Jesus. Not Israel. Just to be clear.
Who’s talking in Genesis 12:3? The LORD.
Who the hell is the LORD? Answer: Jesus
You might have missed all the “Jesus is LORD” Bible verses and hymns in church.
In Genesis 12:3, the LORD (Yahweh, which Christians believe is the pre-incarnate Jesus) was talking to Abraham.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 7:26 am to L.A.
What happened yesterday doesn't matter.
When it comes to controlling a spot of ground on the earth, whoever is strongest at the moment gets to claim ownership.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 7:35 am to L.A.
The sheer amount of biblical ignorance with people in mainline denominations and the whole of American society today is astounding. It almost matches their ignorance of history as well. Some I have to imagine know the truth laid out in scripture however, but are just being dishonest because their politics are more important than their actual faith, and would choose their politics and lies above the truths that are in scripture, and that’s a big problem, but it’s theirs to own.
Conforming your faith to fit your politics rather than allowing your faith to conform you to Christ. That’s why there is no change in people.
Conforming your faith to fit your politics rather than allowing your faith to conform you to Christ. That’s why there is no change in people.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 7:41 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
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I was a member of the composite squadron in BR in the 1980's because I thought I could get cheap stick time. The same two people hogged the airplanes which meant nobody else could fly them. May rejoin them.
It’s much different now. We do so many O flights as a wing that pilots get plenty of time now. As a wing, we fly the second most hours in the region and we are always needing pilots. I’m sure Capital City would love to have you back. My squadron is a cadet squadron and the largest in the wing, but we are not at an airport so we cannot get a plane unfortunately.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 7:42 am to TNTigerman
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In Jeremiah 32 the Lord promises: “Behold, I will gather them out of all countries where I have driven them in My anger, in My fury, and in great wrath; I will bring them back to this place, and I will cause them to dwell safely. They shall be My people, and I will be their God
The writer of Jeremiah was talking about the Cyrus of Persia sending the slaves of Babylon (Jews and others) to Judah 2500 years ago. It’s not applicable to present day events.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 7:48 am to RealityWinsOut
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No matter what, we can all agree that Jews and Christians were in the area way before moslims. So anyone yelling out looking for the closest snackbar has no claim.
98% of jews over there currently are inbred Ashkenazi jews from Europe.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 7:54 am to Squirrelmeister
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No, Matthew and Luke copy word for word sometimes from Mark, and copy the events from Mark in order.
Right. So you don’t understand oral tradition.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 7:57 am to TNTigerman
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Just to be clear, you are clearly wrong. God was talking to Abraham.
About Jesus.
Jesus is how the people of the world will be blessed. Through Abraham.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 7:58 am to Mo Jeaux
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Sometimes I think you’re a somewhat intelligent person (although you strike me as being a pathetic little bitch who I’m quite sure hates his home life), and other times, you seem like a complete idiot.
I will take this as your acquiescence to the point at hand. Have a good day.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:06 am to L.A.
There's been a conversation within Protestantism for about 150 years between two factions: Dispensationalism and Covenant Theology. This fact is not discussed at all in this thread. It is an interesting conversation. Which faction is correct? It all comes down to how one interprets the relevant Bible passages.
Here's a brief but informative article on the conversation, and how the Catholic Church finds a "Third Way".
The most salient point we get from the Catholic Catechism to add to the conversation is that the Catholic Church teaches: God's Plan is that Christ's Second Coming will not occur until the Jewish people as a nation come to Christ.
But this thread is about the debate between Protestant factions with regard to what the Bible says regarding this issue.
LINK
Here's a brief but informative article on the conversation, and how the Catholic Church finds a "Third Way".
The most salient point we get from the Catholic Catechism to add to the conversation is that the Catholic Church teaches: God's Plan is that Christ's Second Coming will not occur until the Jewish people as a nation come to Christ.
But this thread is about the debate between Protestant factions with regard to what the Bible says regarding this issue.
LINK
This post was edited on 12/13/23 at 10:07 am
Posted on 12/13/23 at 5:11 pm to Mike da Tigah
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Some I have to imagine know the truth laid out in scripture
How do you know which scripture is the truth and which is a lie? Example:
Ezekiel 20
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25Moreover, I gave them statutes that were not good and rules by which they could not have life, 26and I defiled them through their very gifts in their offering up all their firstborn, that I might devastate them. I did it that they might know that I am the LORD.
Jeremiah 32:35
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They built the high places of Baal in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, to offer up their sons and daughters to Molech, though I did not command them, nor did it enter into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.
So in Ezekiel, Yahweh himself states he commanded child sacrifice, yet in Jeremiah, Yahweh himself states he never commanded child sacrifice. They can’t be both true, therefore one (or both) is a lie. Which one is the truth, and which is the lie?
Posted on 12/14/23 at 4:51 pm to Squirrelmeister
quote:God is sovereign over all things, and yet we are responsible for what we do (and do not do) in relation to God's revealed will in the law.
The LORD hardens the hearts of whoever he wants. Romans 9:18
The LORD makes peace and creates evil (not Satan). Isaiah 45:7
quote:Yes, Cyrus was one of God's anointed. So was David. So was Saul. Jesus was the anointed one that all the types and shadows pointed to.
The LORD’s messiah was a Zoroastrian Persian emperor. Isaiah 45:1
quote:Not at all. I have the truth from the all-knowing Creator, Himself. You are the one who is blinded by your own sin. You refuse to worship your creator and have made idols of mankind that you bow to.
You believe that the ancient human species Homo Erectus was the species of human present at the Tower of Babel event (which also did not exist). You have blinded yourself into a realm of pure stupidity.
If you do not repent, you will be judged and will receive God's wrath. As much as I hate that you are currently an enemy of my savior, I do hope that He saves you one day. I don't want you to receive the justice that we all deserve.
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