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re: Modly SHOULD get the full time job as Navy Secretary
Posted on 4/7/20 at 3:38 pm to udtiger
Posted on 4/7/20 at 3:38 pm to udtiger
It's interesting that some posters are saying that Crozier did this to protect his sailors, and others are saying that by doing this, he put his sailors at great risk.
Such as we are in the country these days... there is no middle ground.
Seems to me there are really three issues at play here.
1) Should Crozier have gone scorched earth by sending the e-mail to whom he did? I can see both sides.
2) Should Modly have removed him from command? I can see both sides.
3) Should Modly have gone to the TR and got on the 1-MC and blasted Crozier? Or even discussed the issue at all like that? I can't for the life of me think of why this was a good idea.
Such as we are in the country these days... there is no middle ground.
Seems to me there are really three issues at play here.
1) Should Crozier have gone scorched earth by sending the e-mail to whom he did? I can see both sides.
2) Should Modly have removed him from command? I can see both sides.
3) Should Modly have gone to the TR and got on the 1-MC and blasted Crozier? Or even discussed the issue at all like that? I can't for the life of me think of why this was a good idea.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 3:43 pm to LSUFanHouston
Modly should be fired now.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 3:45 pm to DyeHardDylan
Dude, I don't know how many retired navy Admirals saying he did not deserve to be fired. Everyone knows why he did it. He thought it made Trump look bad with press finding out about this. Modly is scared of Trump and fired Crozier. And just make sure he looks live a good little serf to Trump, he flies 8,000 miles and goes on a profanity-laden admonishment to the crew. What's so funny is that Trump was adamant the Crozier needed to be fired, etc. just two days ago at the virus update. Yesterday, he was "I'm looking into it. I don't want to ruin a man with such exemplary service because he had a bad day." So, basically, Trump threw Modly under the bus (who was trying to protect Trump) once he realized how the winds were blowing.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 3:57 pm to Toddy
I really enjoy the irony of making a speech about how you'd have to be naive or stupid to not expect something like that email leaking, but not seeing the leaking of that speech coming
What a clown
What a clown
Posted on 4/7/20 at 4:02 pm to LSUFanHouston
quote:
3) Should Modly have gone to the TR and got on the 1-MC and blasted Crozier? Or even discussed the issue at all like that? I can't for the life of me think of why this was a good idea.
Only reason I can think of was there was a real discipline issue on the ship that was about to get ugly and he went their to tamp it down. He was 100% correct in everything he said, but he was likely inartful in how he said it.
Regardless, he should not have resigned.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 4:17 pm to udtiger
quote:
Only reason I can think of was there was a real discipline issue on the ship that was about to get ugly and he went their to tamp it down. He was 100% correct in everything he said, but he was likely inartful in how he said it.
I would think the Navy would have a system in place to deal with discipline issues, right? Chain of command?
Also, "stupid and naive" would be how I would describe thinking you are tamping down an issue by telling a bunch of young, impressionable sailors that their beloved CO was stupid and naive". Wouldn't that just fan the flames of discontent?
Posted on 4/7/20 at 4:20 pm to LSUFanHouston
Those sailors know that skipper had their back. And modly badmouthing him to the whole ship while the captain was trying to get help wasn’t going to go over well at all.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 4:21 pm to Toddy
How many retired navy admirals do you know? Names?
Posted on 4/7/20 at 6:29 pm to Tiguar
quote:
How many retired navy admirals do you know? Names?
Bob, Joe, Stephen, Harvey, Mike, and James.....
Posted on 4/7/20 at 7:08 pm to GeorgeWest
quote:
Modly should be fired now.
He no longer has a job
Posted on 4/7/20 at 7:53 pm to monsterballads
quote:wasn't he letting his crew have shore leave in Asia, in March?
Didn’t have time to waste. He basically fell on the sword for his crew.
This post was edited on 4/7/20 at 8:01 pm
Posted on 4/7/20 at 9:50 pm to narddogg81
Yeah before everything was on lock down. In hindsight, a mistake. Had no one gone to Vietnam, that crew is isolated from the virus.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 9:59 pm to monsterballads
quote:Word on the street is the SecNav job is open so...
monsterballads
Posted on 4/7/20 at 10:38 pm to Wolfhound45
Tell me what you would have done in hindsight?
Posted on 4/8/20 at 5:02 am to monsterballads
Lighten up Francis. I finally figured out you were an ex-squid from your “secured liberty” post. It is pretty pathetic that they were in port and were working through how to address the quarantine when he went public. What options did DoD and the host nation have? That is the most important part of the equation you are leaving out.
And I am personally disappointed that you did not call me “boomer” again dammit
And I am personally disappointed that you did not call me “boomer” again dammit
Posted on 4/8/20 at 6:30 am to Wolfhound45
What's not being discussed here because its apparent not many here are currently in the Dept of the Navy and Marine Corps, is that Modly resigning is a major setback. He was aggressively attacking and encouraging the chain of command to attack age-old and Obama-era installed problems, legacy issues that have been plaguing us, and at least the resultant strategic plans sounded impressively hopeful for the first time in a decade.
His sending out of his weekly SECNAV Vectors message that disseminated informative information from the top, which the civil service employees even perked up and read (extremely difficult to make happen), was much welcomed by all. He was shaking trees and making moves many had been clamoring for.
It's too bad, but I have no idea why the Acting SECNAV wouldn't let the ship pull in first, investigate quickly, ask the chain of command wtf they were doing (Carrier Strike Group 1* Flag onboard? 7th Fleet, PACFLT, PACOM? What were you doing? What was your Corona plan? Why did you not work with State Dept and CANEX that port visit?) and find the scum leaker. Whether that was the captain himself, who should never have used unclassified channels and/or a large distro group, use SIPRnet and SVoIP/SVTC at a minimum, or some shitbag Pentagon GS15/SES, that person should be identified and fired.
If the chain of command sat on their arse nuclear war gaming/overplanning, then they are unfit for duty as well. If we were at war, then the ship stays out and deals with it, using measures of their own and flying aboard necessary equipment/meds/docs etc. Peacetime, captain not getting response should've just worked with his first two flags in chain, told them he was heading to Guam, made logistical and medical arrangements with the shore, and said 'if you disagree, tell me "negative" and provide guidance.'
There was zero reason to blast this on UNCLASS nets regardless of situation. It's a fricking Carrier Strike Group in vicinity of China.
No idea what a-SECNAV was doing personally flying out to give that kind of speech, or go there at all, major misstep. Delegate that shite, have some emotional intelligence empathy and awareness, and provide positive outlook. But it is disappointing for the major progress he was making and guidance leash he was encouraging has been rarely seen in a long time.
I still want to know who the perfidious leaker was. That shite is dangerous with military ops and asset positioning. And frick the sniveling media for publishing, and continuing to publish that kind of damaging information that potentially puts lives at risk unnecessarily. It's funny the 2nd amendment is trampled all over but the 1st is sacred to the media who has zero accountability when in receipt and publishing without regard of classified information.
His sending out of his weekly SECNAV Vectors message that disseminated informative information from the top, which the civil service employees even perked up and read (extremely difficult to make happen), was much welcomed by all. He was shaking trees and making moves many had been clamoring for.
It's too bad, but I have no idea why the Acting SECNAV wouldn't let the ship pull in first, investigate quickly, ask the chain of command wtf they were doing (Carrier Strike Group 1* Flag onboard? 7th Fleet, PACFLT, PACOM? What were you doing? What was your Corona plan? Why did you not work with State Dept and CANEX that port visit?) and find the scum leaker. Whether that was the captain himself, who should never have used unclassified channels and/or a large distro group, use SIPRnet and SVoIP/SVTC at a minimum, or some shitbag Pentagon GS15/SES, that person should be identified and fired.
If the chain of command sat on their arse nuclear war gaming/overplanning, then they are unfit for duty as well. If we were at war, then the ship stays out and deals with it, using measures of their own and flying aboard necessary equipment/meds/docs etc. Peacetime, captain not getting response should've just worked with his first two flags in chain, told them he was heading to Guam, made logistical and medical arrangements with the shore, and said 'if you disagree, tell me "negative" and provide guidance.'
There was zero reason to blast this on UNCLASS nets regardless of situation. It's a fricking Carrier Strike Group in vicinity of China.
No idea what a-SECNAV was doing personally flying out to give that kind of speech, or go there at all, major misstep. Delegate that shite, have some emotional intelligence empathy and awareness, and provide positive outlook. But it is disappointing for the major progress he was making and guidance leash he was encouraging has been rarely seen in a long time.
I still want to know who the perfidious leaker was. That shite is dangerous with military ops and asset positioning. And frick the sniveling media for publishing, and continuing to publish that kind of damaging information that potentially puts lives at risk unnecessarily. It's funny the 2nd amendment is trampled all over but the 1st is sacred to the media who has zero accountability when in receipt and publishing without regard of classified information.
Posted on 4/8/20 at 12:14 pm to SamGinn Cam
quote:All of what that guy said. Upvote.
SamGinn Cam
Posted on 4/8/20 at 12:24 pm to DyeHardDylan
Why should the head of a Dept be given a reprieve when he refused to address a commanding Officers plea for help with an emergency. According to reports, the Ships Captain only wrote the letter because he could get no help from his superiors.
My Nephew was in Nam. He became concerned because they hardly had enough ammo to defend themselves. He wrote to his Dad, who wrote to his Senator, about the problem. My brother requested that the Senator not tell the military, who had informed him of the situation.
A few weeks later, my nephew's Officer in Charge called him out and threatened to put him in a very hazardous position for the remainder of his military time in Nam.
So much for trusting your "Public Servant" and the respect they have for the military men and women.
My Nephew was in Nam. He became concerned because they hardly had enough ammo to defend themselves. He wrote to his Dad, who wrote to his Senator, about the problem. My brother requested that the Senator not tell the military, who had informed him of the situation.
A few weeks later, my nephew's Officer in Charge called him out and threatened to put him in a very hazardous position for the remainder of his military time in Nam.
So much for trusting your "Public Servant" and the respect they have for the military men and women.
Posted on 4/9/20 at 2:13 am to Gus007
In the military you will often be retaliated against for doing the right thing, being totally hung out to dry by your superiors.
Builds character
Builds character
Posted on 4/9/20 at 2:17 am to Pechon
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Pechon
What I got from your post is that you value authority, protocol, and PR over truth and human life.
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