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re: Securing Schools - How I would start with most schools.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:15 pm to NATidefan
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:15 pm to NATidefan
Vets retire with 50% of their base pay as a pension for doing 20 years, plus an additional 2.5% per year served over 20.
Offer them an additional 50%, regardless of years served, if they are employed as an armed school security guard. Make them plain clothes, air marshal style.
A lot cheaper than your option. There are a ton that would do it.
Offer them an additional 50%, regardless of years served, if they are employed as an armed school security guard. Make them plain clothes, air marshal style.
A lot cheaper than your option. There are a ton that would do it.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:16 pm to Klark Kent
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“but if it saves one life”
Too bad the people at the top that said that intentionally killed people to line their pockets with tens of thousands (and sometimes millions) of dollars.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:16 pm to NATidefan
Most prisons don’t have all that, and who is going to pay for this ?
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:17 pm to DavidTheGnome
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Do what to it? And you think renovating every school into a prison is just gonn cost $40 billion?
It will cost well less than that to have an armed guard or two at every school in the country.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:17 pm to Stexas
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$300k and they expected to pay $5k in maintenance
Well yall were getting ripped off, lol.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:18 pm to TutHillTiger
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Most prisons don’t have all that, and who is going to pay for this ?
Most prisons don't have a chain link fence, cameras, and metal doors?
What????
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:23 pm to TutHillTiger
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:26 pm to NATidefan
Every school should have a moat filled with alligators, drawbridge, 20-ft-high fence and a half-dozen armed guards posted up in watchtowers.
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 9:27 pm
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:27 pm to mattz1122
And by the way, this is true, and many of you are too stupid to see it:
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:28 pm to NATidefan
This wouldn’t help much. If you want to solve the problem you have to tear it up by the roots. Which you would do by isolating insane people from other insane people online and institutionalizing people when they show preemptive signs of a shooting like literally every mass shooter ever. Also, I think classroom and school doors are already always locked.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:34 pm to OMLandshark
Imagine being stupid enough to think your pistol would fend off the world’s strongest military.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:39 pm to mattz1122
A bunch of raggedy people in caves and jungles have done it before. But I think the real reason to own a gun is to protect yourself from other civilians not the government. We all saw what happened in summer 2020 and crime rates are still going through the roof. If society ever broke down it would help to at least have a little preparation
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:41 pm to mattz1122
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Every school should have a moat filled with alligators, drawbridge, 20-ft-high fence and a half-dozen armed guards posted up in watchtowers.
That sounds expensive and a bit overkill.
I'm not saying schools should be prisons.
But I do think they could be a little more secure and made a harder target.
You don't have to make them impenetrable, just a harder target.
Society isnt gonna go for arming teachers or allowing shools to be a gun allowed zone.
Some of yall want to arm everyone, some of yall want gun restrictions, some of yall want three trained and armed guards with ARs, and some of yall want to do nothing.
I'm trying to come up with a solution that would help and the majority of people might agree to.
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 7:57 am
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:43 pm to mattz1122
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Imagine being stupid enough to think your pistol would fend off the world’s strongest military.
Mine wouldn’t, but a few million others joining me would.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:47 pm to NATidefan
1. I’m certain this would cost far more than you think, at least assuming you want the measures you described to actually work.
2. Do kids not get recess anymore under your plan?
3. Many schools have multiple buildings that often require students to move between them. E.g. a separate cafeteria, gym, etc.
4. Perhaps most importantly - if some psychopath wants to go on a killing spree, he will find a way around these measures. Do they make it more difficult? Sure. But not enough to reasonably hinder someone who is planning this kind of thing. Turning entire schools into safe rooms isn’t the answer. There are just too many things to account for, and it only takes one innocent get getting shot for the entire premise to fail. We need to deal with the psychopaths.
The one thing I would agree with is putting fences around school properties and keeping doors to the outside of the fence line locked. Someone can still cut through a chain link fence fairly easily but at least that’s going to draw a ton of suspicion in broad daylight.
2. Do kids not get recess anymore under your plan?
3. Many schools have multiple buildings that often require students to move between them. E.g. a separate cafeteria, gym, etc.
4. Perhaps most importantly - if some psychopath wants to go on a killing spree, he will find a way around these measures. Do they make it more difficult? Sure. But not enough to reasonably hinder someone who is planning this kind of thing. Turning entire schools into safe rooms isn’t the answer. There are just too many things to account for, and it only takes one innocent get getting shot for the entire premise to fail. We need to deal with the psychopaths.
The one thing I would agree with is putting fences around school properties and keeping doors to the outside of the fence line locked. Someone can still cut through a chain link fence fairly easily but at least that’s going to draw a ton of suspicion in broad daylight.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:53 pm to NATidefan
Nothing here addresses the real problem. (Pssh...and it ain't guns)
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:08 pm to lostinbr
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Many schools have multiple buildings that often require students to move between them. E.g. a separate cafeteria, gym, etc.
I did say how I would start with most schools.
Not every school is the same.
Yes many have outside buildings and even trailers kids go between.
But when schools are less secure than my work that does kind of bother me.
Are kids allowed recess, of course.
They just aren't sitting ducks in a classroom hiding under their desk.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:10 pm to Bow08tie
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Nothing here addresses the real problem
And what is the real problem?
Mental health, parenting, etc?
I absolutely agree if so.
Do you have an affordable solution that would help that society might agree to?
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:32 pm to NATidefan
Should be the #1 thing, minus the underline
I know it’s not as easy in a larger school, but you should have the ability to buzz in/out any visitors, and I don’t think it would take any more man power or staff.
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All exterior doors are metal and always locked from the outside. No glass where someone could shoot through and open. Visitors have to be buzzed in.
I know it’s not as easy in a larger school, but you should have the ability to buzz in/out any visitors, and I don’t think it would take any more man power or staff.
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