re: Securing Schools - How I would start with most schools.

Put chains on all the doors and send the kids home to their parents. No more school shootings.

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I think you'd be surprised how many grandfathers (raises hand) would do it almost for free.

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Maybe?

Nothing stopping you from getting with other grandads and parking across the street with conceal and carries and monitoring. At least that I can think of.

Randomly armed teachers and this is over. No more soft targets.

Are guns mounted to the cameras?

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Bash away,

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Will do

Good Lord you can secure the vast majority of elementary and middle rather easily w/out turning into prisons.

All students and personnel badged and ONE access point
for entrance (stagger hours if necessary) and all bags
/backpacks checked.Emergency exits that can only be opened from inside.

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LEO would have camera access too via internet to locate threat. PA system to alert whole shool of suspicious activity/threat and location. Has visitors or anyone arriving at odd time show bag, etc. contents, sign in, etc. Bathroom inside. (This is the way my

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Most schools with modern camera systems
have static address that can be accessed by local LE and a PA system should only be a backup system.All teachers and supervisors equiped with a modern-digital two-radio system.

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Good lord, there are fences around all sorts of places and people don't call them prisons

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How far around the perimeter of the school? The property line? How long and big do you want the fence? Even at my elementary school we had huge perimeter
that extended to the athletic fields.

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see how mine is that much of a prison than what you are saying.

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Access ID's? Digital radio system?
Didn't see that part

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1. Fence around the whole school. Will it stop someone? No, slow them down? Yes.

2. Bullet proof guard shack on the fence line, cameras so he can see the fence line of the whole perimeter and hallways, LEO would have camera access too via internet to locate threat. PA system to alert whole shool of suspicious activity/threat and location. Has visitors or anyone arriving at odd time show bag, etc. contents, sign in, etc. Bathroom inside. (This is the way my work is)

Will it stop someone from coming in when kids arrive and are filing in? No, but it'll help stop/slow down someone showing up at odd times.

3. Metal doors on all classrooms that are locked during class.

Will it stop someone from being shot in the hall? No, but it will help protect the rooms themselves.

4. Metal doors in hallways that teachers can close and lock. Section off areas like a ship with bulkhead doors to contain a leak.

This way if a threat is approaching a zone teachers can move kids to a safe zone and seal of the threat zone if needed.


5. All exterior doors are metal and always locked from the outside. No glass where someone could shoot through and open. Visitors have to be buzzed in.

6. Practice emergency procedures and have plans in place for what to do and how to communicate.


The hardest thing would be screening when kids are arriving and protecting them when they are leaving in mass. That would be tough.


Not saying this would stop every instance and killing, but I think its some things that could be done for a reasonable budget that would for sure help and most people would agree to.

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Or. Or arm the personnel.

Not one mention of arming anyone in your 6 steps.

All you've done is give a mass shooter a ninja warrior obstacle course.

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So school is prison?

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They have been for a long time.

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Someone said it would cost 300k to install a camera system for a school of 300.

I told him there was no way it costs that much.

Hence the link.

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CCTV cameras aren’t terribly expensive. Cameras covering an entire school property, plus access control systems, plus a centralized secure monitoring location, plus the software licenses and network requirements to make the system accessible to off-site LEO’s as you suggested.. that’s going to be considerably more expensive. I have no idea if the number is $300k (depending on school size obviously) but it wouldn’t be cheap.

As for your question of why people are saying you’re talking about a prison environment - you’re harping on the less controversial aspects of your post. If you go through it point by point:

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1. Fence around the whole school.

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Not terribly difficult and many schools already have this.

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2. Bullet proof guard shack on the fence line, cameras so he can see the fence line of the whole perimeter and hallways, LEO would have camera access too via internet to locate threat.

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Many schools already have cameras. That isn’t a big deal. The “bullet proof guard shack on the fence line” is part of the pushback you’re receiving. So now we are talking about at least one full time security guard. In reality you probably need more than one unless the guy is never going to take breaks.

Internet access for LEO’s is easier said than done (if you want it to be secure/utilized) and would require quite a bit of standardization.

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PA system to alert whole shool of suspicious activity/threat and location.

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Schools already have this.

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Has visitors or anyone arriving at odd time show bag, etc. contents, sign in, etc. Bathroom inside.

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Now you’re talking about at least one more guard to check people in.

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3. Metal doors on all classrooms that are locked during class.

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I believe many (if not most) schools have metal doors for the most part. I could be wrong. Keeping the doors locked during class is pretty disruptive, especially when teachers can simply lock the doors as soon as there’s an alarm.

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4. Metal doors in hallways that teachers can close and lock. Section off areas like a ship with bulkhead doors to contain a leak.

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This is also part of the pushback you’re receiving. Not feasible for a lot of schools (depending on layout/size) and definitely contributes to the “prison atmosphere.”

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5. All exterior doors are metal and always locked from the outside. No glass where someone could shoot through and open. Visitors have to be buzzed in.

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Not feasible for all exterior doors and definitely contributes to the “prison atmosphere.” Should be feasible for doors that open outside of the fence line.

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6. Practice emergency procedures and have plans in place for what to do and how to communicate.

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Schools should already be doing this.