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re: Pelicans are not expected to offer BI extension this offseason, moving in new direction
Posted on 5/4/24 at 7:02 pm to Pels_Yaz
Posted on 5/4/24 at 7:02 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Every offensive stat we have says Murphy is better as a starter and this team is better for it.
First, I don't believe that stat that you keep repeating. Even if it were true, circumstances stances matter. He only started 23 games this season. He only scored over 20 points 4 times the first 4 months of the season. That is as a scorer off the bench, mainly playing against back-ups.
I know you know this, but career backups struggle moving to a starting role. To expect him to exceed Ingram right away is just sunshine pumping and I think it's unrealistic.
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Lol you can’t just leave a player on the bench because you’re afraid the bench will get weaker especially when every stat shows hes better in the starting lineup.
I don't know where he starts. I don't want McCollum to be the starting PG. I want to upgrade that role. McCollum is one of our 3 best players. He has to go to SG. He's not coming off the bench. If that happens, Jones goes to SF, where he will be vital to our team success. Unless Zion plays Center, where would Murphy start?
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Posted on 5/4/24 at 7:04 pm to brmark70816
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I don't know where he starts. I don't want McCollum to be the starting PG. I want to upgrade that role. McCollum is one of our 3 best players. He has to go to SG. He's not coming off the bench.
This isn't the NBA of 30 years ago. Zion is our starting PG.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 7:45 pm to brmark70816
Agree with everything you said Brmark
I really think we need to move CJ for a legit PG. it’s fine moving Trey into the starting lineup if you replace CJ with a PG that can create and/or control the game.
I really think we need to move CJ for a legit PG. it’s fine moving Trey into the starting lineup if you replace CJ with a PG that can create and/or control the game.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 7:58 pm to brmark70816
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First, I don't believe that stat that you keep repeating. Even if it were true, circumstances stances matter. He only started 23 games this season. He only scored over 20 points 4 times the first 4 months of the season. That is as a scorer off the bench, mainly playing against back-ups.
That stat is the almost all the starting lineups with Trey are net positive. Funny, you don’t believe that stat but your reply is stat based as well. He was coming off injury and his play substantially improved after that time and when he was in starting lineup again he performed better and was s net positive.
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I know you know this, but career backups struggle moving to a starting role. To expect him to exceed Ingram right away is just sunshine pumping and I think it's unrealistic.
Hes been in the league 3 years. Lol hes a career backup? Hes barely had a career. I never said he is a better player than Ingram but hes a better fit for our starting offense which makes our team better. Trey doesn’t need to be individually better than BI but can still make our starting offense and team better. Both can be true.
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I don't know where he starts. I don't want McCollum to be the starting PG. I want to upgrade that role. McCollum is one of our 3 best players. He has to go to SG. He's not coming off the bench. If that happens, Jones goes to SF, where he will be vital to our team success. Unless Zion plays Center, where would Murphy start?
CJ is not a point guard and probably should go to bench. CJ on the bench also solves your so called bench production problem since you didn’t want to move Trey from the bench due to not having a bench according to you. The hope is BI trade and free agency plug the pg and center holes while CJ goes to bench. I love CJ but these playoffs showed its hard to depend on him if Zion is out. Hes also a minus defender as well.
This post was edited on 5/4/24 at 8:01 pm
Posted on 5/4/24 at 8:39 pm to Soggymoss
Watching Denver and Minny play and I think we’re not even close to being the same caliber to these teams. Have to make major moves, either win now with all star talent or a small rebuild
Posted on 5/4/24 at 8:42 pm to Macintosh504
Nope. B/c we have no one that can do what Edwards or Murray can do. Zion can’t shoot.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 8:53 pm to Pels_Yaz
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CJ is not a point guard and probably should go to bench
This would just never happen. McCollum is not going to come off the bench. There isn't a coach in the league that would do that. He's still a top 3 player on our squad and a captain. Players like him do not suddenly go to the bench without a massive drop in play or someone much much better taking a spot from him.
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since you didn’t want to move Trey from the bench due to not having a bench according to you.
I'm not sure where I said this. I just said our bench is weaker without Murphy on it. I honestly don't care where if Murphy starts or not. I am just struggling to see where he fits and how that it is an upgrade.
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love CJ but these playoffs showed its hard to depend on him if Zion is out. Hes also a minus defender as well.
I'm frustrated by how he played as well. But he's not meant to play as a lead guard and he's not a closer. He just doesn't have that next level. I do think he plays better off ball and is more consistent without the additional pressure.
As bad as McCollum was these playoffs, Murphy was just as bad if not worse. Hard to base anything regarding the future off those performances. You'd end up doing a complete reset..
Posted on 5/4/24 at 10:58 pm to whatiknowsofar
quote:Is it really? Do local reporters/bloggers ever break anything?
It's odd that he would report it before clark, guillory, etc
This post was edited on 5/4/24 at 10:58 pm
Posted on 5/5/24 at 12:04 am to NOSHAU
Guillory and Lopez at best get bylines from Woj and Shams.
Posted on 5/5/24 at 1:01 am to brmark70816
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Players like him do not suddenly go to the bench without a massive drop in play or someone much much better taking a spot from him.
I guess you missed seeing him in the playoffs and the playin. Look I think CJ overall played great in the regular season but in 7 of our most important games to end the season he was atrocious and his defense was ridiculous bad. Another coach would have benched CJ- in fact thats what Willie did against the lakers in the playin until Zion got hurt. So technically you’re wrong he did go to bench- and frankly the way he was playing to end the season he would been better playing a bench role.
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I am just struggling to see where he fits and how that it is an upgrade.
Dude how do you not see that he is better for this team in the starting lineup? This is not just me or stats or the eyeball test saying this. The whole basketball world thinks Trey needs to start.
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I'm frustrated by how he played as well. But he's not meant to play as a lead guard and he's not a closer. He just doesn't have that next level. I do think he plays better off ball and is more consistent without the additional pressure.
This sounds EXACTLY like a bench player.
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As bad as McCollum was these playoffs, Murphy was just as bad if not worse.
How was he worse? I could easily say Trey defense in the series wasn’t always great but it miles better than CJ defense.
CJ dominated the ball and the offense was clearly running through him. He had more possessions and more shots than Trey did throughout the series.
To me the playoffs against the number one seed is a great way to stack up how good you really are. If anything playoffs are a true indicator of how your players stack up against gameplaning and premier competition. The fact Griffin is saying there will be a change(likely in the top 3) is in a fact a reset in itself.
This post was edited on 5/5/24 at 1:03 am
Posted on 5/5/24 at 1:06 am to TeddyPadillac
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CJ with a PG that can create and/or control the game.
You just need another player who can create or control the game at an elite level. It doesn’t necessarily have to be a so called PG. I agree with Griff on this- its not about having a PG but more about creation and basketball IQ.
Name me a PG that you would go out and get? There just aren’t many out there.
Posted on 5/5/24 at 5:31 am to Pels_Yaz
This is where the discussion went off the rails. There is no way that McCollum isn't a starter for us next season. If he was pushed out, he would demand a trade. He has started every game he has played for the past 10 seasons. He's not going to come off the bench for a fring playoff team. [
quote]How was he worse? I could easily say Trey defense in the series wasn’t always great but it miles better than CJ defense.
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Nobody played good in the playoffs. So I'm not singling him out. He was bad and I hoped for a lot more. I am not using it against him. Missing Zion hurt everyone's game.
quote]How was he worse? I could easily say Trey defense in the series wasn’t always great but it miles better than CJ defense.
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Nobody played good in the playoffs. So I'm not singling him out. He was bad and I hoped for a lot more. I am not using it against him. Missing Zion hurt everyone's game.
Posted on 5/5/24 at 5:56 am to brmark70816
CJ would absolutely 100% come off the bench for us if he believes and the coaching staff believes that’s the best thing to turn this team into a contender.
CJ has made his money, he wants the best chance at a title
CJ has made his money, he wants the best chance at a title
Posted on 5/5/24 at 5:58 am to Soggymoss
For people doubting first post, Windy talks about it also.
In the segment about 76ers he specifically said “Two players that are able to receive a contract extension with their current team but won’t for whatever reason” then talks about Butler and Ingram
In the segment about 76ers he specifically said “Two players that are able to receive a contract extension with their current team but won’t for whatever reason” then talks about Butler and Ingram
Posted on 5/5/24 at 7:44 am to Soggymoss
Something I have been thinking about that I haven’t seen anyone mention is what if BI demands a trade once we decline to offer him a max?
It hasn’t been brought up often but Willie benching him and choosing not to bring him back in against the Lakers in the play in was a big deal. He was absolutely terrible after that game, almost like he couldn’t recover.
I see a lot of back and forth on if CJ would accept a diminished role moving forward. I really think it is less likely that BI would accept a diminished role. If we aren’t offering the max, I don’t see any way he is still announced last in starting lineups or is the center of the big mural in the facility. At that point, I don’t see how he accepts that role. Maybe I am wrong, but I do see it as a strong possibility that he doesn’t really want to be here in a diminished role on a decreased salary.
It hasn’t been brought up often but Willie benching him and choosing not to bring him back in against the Lakers in the play in was a big deal. He was absolutely terrible after that game, almost like he couldn’t recover.
I see a lot of back and forth on if CJ would accept a diminished role moving forward. I really think it is less likely that BI would accept a diminished role. If we aren’t offering the max, I don’t see any way he is still announced last in starting lineups or is the center of the big mural in the facility. At that point, I don’t see how he accepts that role. Maybe I am wrong, but I do see it as a strong possibility that he doesn’t really want to be here in a diminished role on a decreased salary.
Posted on 5/5/24 at 8:08 am to ThePistol
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Maybe I am wrong, but I do see it as a strong possibility that he doesn’t really want to be here in a diminished role on a decreased salary.
Agreed, but someone in a position like that also needs to know that we will try to reasonably do right by him unless we get a Godfather offer.
A team trading for him is generally going to be one that would want to pay him and give him a good role, even if it isn’t the face of the franchise.
Being #3 in Philly behind a former MVP in Embiid as well as Maxey may be a bit to pride but he will still be a major cog on a high profile team.
Posted on 5/5/24 at 8:10 am to Soggymoss
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then talks about Butler
The front office in Philly screwed the pooch by keeping Harris over Butler because Ben Simmons got a hurt pussy over Butler for some reason.
They keep Butler and trade Simmons while his value was high and they make a ECF if not win a title.
Posted on 5/5/24 at 8:11 am to ThePistol
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It hasn’t been brought up often but Willie benching him and choosing not to bring him back in against the Lakers in the play in was a big deal. He was absolutely terrible after that game, almost like he couldn’t recover.
He was pretty good in the Kings game a couple days later so I think his play had much more to do with the matchup with OKC.
However, I think you are correct in that it probably had an effect on how we played the Thunder series. I didnt seem like there was anyway we were going to sit him in crunch time of any of those games no matter how poorly he was playing. I wonder how much of that was missing Zion versus our fear of him pouting about benching him again
Posted on 5/5/24 at 9:27 am to teke184
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They keep Butler and trade Simmons while his value was high and they make a ECF if not win a title.
Biggest decision team has made in the last few years. They keep butler and I think they win multiple titles with butler and embiid
Posted on 5/5/24 at 9:36 am to Balsamic_duck
quote:that’s the fact
We got a haul. Griff fricked up that haul
we traded Anthony Davis for Dyson Daniels and a first round pick
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