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re: Pelicans are not expected to offer BI extension this offseason, moving in new direction
Posted on 5/4/24 at 1:28 pm to Pels_Yaz
Posted on 5/4/24 at 1:28 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Man it was reported that Griffin offered BI one last offseason and he declined it hoping to make All NBA and get bigger deal. If this is true, BI bet on himself and basically lost it all.
No, BI hasn't cost him anything yet. He still has a year left on his contract. He can still play it out, perform at an all-star level, and get a new max contract next summer as a UFA.
In fact, I had been wondering if BI would decide to play out his current deal, rather than taking a low-ball offer from us, or getting traded and taking a smaller extension from a new team.
This coming season is the season to bet on himself.
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Posted on 5/4/24 at 1:29 pm to Pels_Yaz
Philly has not shown itself to be a smart team outside getting Embiid and Maxey.
Choosing Simmons over Jimmy Butler, flipping Simmons for Harden, having Harden bully his way to the Clip Show, etc.
Choosing Simmons over Jimmy Butler, flipping Simmons for Harden, having Harden bully his way to the Clip Show, etc.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 1:30 pm to teke184
Dell didn't leave us in a mess. It's just that Griffin wanted to win on day one instead of taking the OKC type of route. Griffin had assets, rookies, and the ability to take it slow. He decided he wanted to rush the rebuild by bringing in Favors and Redick and doubled down on selling draft picks for Adams and bringing in Bledsoe and whatever veterans he could bring in. Dell sucked but Griffin pretty much had a clean slate.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 1:34 pm to supe12sta12z
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the ability to take it slow.
Source? I always thought that Gayle wanted to sell a bunch of tickets and make money in the Zion era by presenting fans with a competitive team. I honestly do not believe that Griff had the freedom to do an OKC-style rebuild.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 1:37 pm to GOP_Tiger
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No, BI hasn't cost him anything yet. He still has a year left on his contract. He can still play it out, perform at an all-star level, and get a new max contract next summer as a UFA.
Sure you can take it as one more year to do that but being a third option in philly and/or second option elsewhere its going to be tough to make all NBA or all star. It’s certainly possible but nola gave him the opportunity to be the guy or at least 1A early in the season to achieve those goals.
Honestly his best chance was this year not next.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 1:55 pm to Pels_Yaz
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doesn’t extend BI, trades him and puts Trey in the starting lineup.
I hope this isn't the plan. We would take a large step back if that was the case. I'm the biggest Ingram hater on the board. But he is better than Murphy. So that would be a loss. A bigger problem though is we would lose Murphy's production off the bench. So a slightly weaker starting 5 and a much worse bench. The only way that doesn't happen is if we somehow land KAT or another premier big to replace Val.
I am not a proponent of giving Murphy a huge deal and I have no idea where he would start. But we can't let the asset go, so he'll get a big extension. Then we could flip him later down the road. He'll be backing up 2-4 next year though, hopefully vying for 6th man of the year.
We should focus everything else on upgrading PG and C this offseason. Flipping Ingram should give us a good start..
Posted on 5/4/24 at 1:55 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Honestly his best chance was this year not next.
Well if he is really looking to prove he has all-star potential/rehab his image, then his best landing spot would be somewhere like Detroit. They are looking to win more games, and he would immediately be their best player. Could certainly rack up the stats there.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 2:00 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Sure you can take it as one more year to do that but being a third option in philly and/or second option elsewhere its going to be tough to make all NBA or all star. It’s certainly possible but nola gave him the opportunity to be the guy or at least 1A early in the season to achieve those goals.
No one is going to trade for him as a one-year rental. No team will want him unless they can lock him up for the long term. If his perceived value has really dropped so much that no one wants to give him a competitive extension, then it's in his best interest to play the year out with us, and it's in our best interest to avoid trading him for peanuts. He's likely be worth more at the trade deadline.
It's why I'm somewhat skeptical that we actually trade him this summer.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 2:11 pm to higgsBoson
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Who is Evan Sidery?
I am personal friends with his older brother. He used to be a beat writer for the Suns, but I guess he has made more connections to accurately report on the entire league since he moved on.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 2:12 pm to GOP_Tiger
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No one is going to trade for him as a one-year rental. No team will want him unless they can lock him up for the long term. If his perceived value has really dropped so much that no one wants to give him a competitive extension, then it's in his best interest to play the year out with us, and it's in our best interest to avoid trading him for peanuts. He's likely be worth more at the trade deadline.
You do what you’re saying you’re basically screwing more than half the season to increase BIs value, which personally is not smart. It stops Trey from starting and you have solved none of this past team’s issues because you don’t like BIs perceived value. If he plays the whole year out- he will walk for nothing- which is absolutely not a smart move.
If you’re not going to extend him- you HAVE to trade him this offseason even if he is a sunk cost and you wont get maximum value for him. You don’t try to increase a players value while screwing up the whole team. You think Trey signs his extension knowing hes coming off the bench again next year? You’re ok losing games because we’re trying to increase BIs value?
Too moving parts; not worth it just to increase his value.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 2:19 pm to brmark70816
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I hope this isn't the plan. We would take a large step back if that was the case. I'm the biggest Ingram hater on the board. But he is better than Murphy. So that would be a loss. A bigger problem though is we would lose Murphy's production off the bench. So a slightly weaker starting 5 and a much worse bench. The only way that doesn't happen is if we somehow land KAT or another premier big to replace Val. I am not a proponent of giving Murphy a huge deal and I have no idea where he would start. But we can't let the asset go, so he'll get a big extension. Then we could flip him later down the road. He'll be backing up 2-4 next year though, hopefully vying for 6th man of the year.
Every offensive stat we have says Murphy is better as a starter and this team is better for it. BI is better than Trey but Trey’s fit is better and makes the starting 5 better. I’m not even sure why you cant see this? Its been proven for 2 seasons now?
Lol you can’t just leave a player on the bench because you’re afraid the bench will get weaker especially when every stat shows hes better in the starting lineup. Also again you’re starting lineup is not weakened when you switch out Trey for Bi? This is just plainly false.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 2:22 pm to GOP_Tiger
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He's likely be worth more at the trade deadline.
That is a dangerous game we should not play with his injury history
Posted on 5/4/24 at 2:23 pm to Balsamic_duck
Agree and another reason he should have been fired a year ago instead of given an extension. Employees that are inept and incompetent in professional and college sports continue to get paid millions uoin millions to be failures for years.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 2:29 pm to whatiknowsofar
And whoever trades for him will want him to agree to an extension. Waiting for the deadline will severely limit the number of teams that would/could be involved.
We know that the team does not want back "contracts" and want quality players and assets back in return. No way that happens at the deadline.
I'm not even sure how anyone could think that it's remotely a good idea.
We know that the team does not want back "contracts" and want quality players and assets back in return. No way that happens at the deadline.
I'm not even sure how anyone could think that it's remotely a good idea.
This post was edited on 5/4/24 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 5/4/24 at 2:30 pm to tzimme4
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Jonas is currently packing up his Uhaul on Transcontinental so he's definitely gone
I’m sure I’m in the minority, but he’s one of the best moves Griff made. I’d prefer to keep him if the money isn’t bad and pair him with someone similar to Gafford. Hes healthy and can lean on his scoring inside off the bench.
This post was edited on 5/4/24 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 5/4/24 at 2:34 pm to Townedrunkard
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I’m sure I’m in the minority, but he’s one of the best moves Griff made. I’d prefer to keep him if the money isn’t bad and pair him with someone similar to Gafford.
I love everything Jonas is about but I believe its better for Jonas and this team to move on without Jonas. Jonas resigns- people will start complaining about why Willie doesn’t play Jonas enough. We really need to just move on especially if Willie is staying.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 2:36 pm to PUB
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Lakers took Griffin to the bank on the AD trade. And why is he going to be allowed to fix the pile of manure that he caused for 5 years?
Almost as bad as these POSs in CONgress that f-cked up the country but have a"solution" 25+ years later.
This right here is one heck of a melt
Posted on 5/4/24 at 2:46 pm to whatiknowsofar
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He's likely be worth more at the trade deadline.
That is a dangerous game we should not play with his injury history
Tell me a time that a team has waited when it was clear they needed to move a player and the deals got better? I believe it has happened a few times, but most of the time that teams kick the can down the road hoping to rehab value or find a new opportunity at best they get the same value they could have gotten initially, but most of the time the deals get worse, like it did with Lonzo.
I hope this report is true because you can't be wishy washy on this issue or it will screw the team. Decisive action is needed, even if it's not perfect, and this looks decisive.
This post was edited on 5/4/24 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 5/4/24 at 2:52 pm to TigerinATL
The Raptors with Og and Siakam comes to mind. Masai waited too long and they got mediocre returns dealing them during the final season of their contracts.
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