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Ancient civilizations. Y or N?
Posted on 5/4/24 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 5/4/24 at 2:57 pm
With findings of Gobeki Tepe in Turkey and other sites having been dated well before the 'established' dates of the Great Pyramids, and more giant megalithic sites being discovered around the world, it's becoming more and more accepted that humans (or some form) had achieved high levels of technological advancement in the distant past.
But how far back, and to what extent?
No matter what else can be said, it takes an advanced civilization to conceive of, design, draw resources together, organize and then execute the construction of not just ONE monument, but entire complexes and cities.
So what happened to them? Where are they? Why hasn't more survived?
Even the great pyramids in Egypt, as we're told are the burial chambers for the Kings, had no inscriptions of hieroglyphics inside. Nothing. Those can be found in the Valley of the Kings, the ACTUAL burial sites for the old Pharaohs.
But how far back, and to what extent?
No matter what else can be said, it takes an advanced civilization to conceive of, design, draw resources together, organize and then execute the construction of not just ONE monument, but entire complexes and cities.
So what happened to them? Where are they? Why hasn't more survived?
Even the great pyramids in Egypt, as we're told are the burial chambers for the Kings, had no inscriptions of hieroglyphics inside. Nothing. Those can be found in the Valley of the Kings, the ACTUAL burial sites for the old Pharaohs.
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Posted on 5/4/24 at 2:59 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
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So what happened to them? Where are they? Why hasn't more survived?
Glaciers/the ice age that ended 10k years ago erased a lot of shite that came before it. and then the oceans rose and erased a lot of evidence of civilizations on the coasts
Posted on 5/4/24 at 3:00 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
I’m not saying it’s aliens, but…
Posted on 5/4/24 at 3:01 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
Speaking of Turkey, ancient Aggies there of the past carved these as a part of their worship:
Posted on 5/4/24 at 3:03 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
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So what happened to them? Where are they? Why hasn't more survived?
Posted on 5/4/24 at 3:03 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
The older I get the more I realize we know very little about the history of the world.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 3:05 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
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Even the great pyramids in Egypt, as we're told are the burial chambers for the Kings, had no inscriptions of hieroglyphics inside. Nothing.
False.
As is the bizarre premise that civilizations must somehow begin at an "advanced" stage in order to build anything, without any intermediate evolution.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 3:07 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
quote:They were stolen and destroyed. The move to the Valley of the Kings was done to stop tomb robbery.
So what happened to them? Where are they? Why hasn't more survived?
quote:By the definition of the loons on youtube...NO.
Ancient civilizations. Y or N?
Posted on 5/4/24 at 3:21 pm to PowerTool
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False.
Which part, specifically, is false? That there are virtually no writings or carvings on the walls of the interior of the Great Pyramids? Because there aren't.
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As is the bizarre premise that civilizations must somehow begin at an "advanced" stage in order to build anything, without any intermediate evolution
That's not anything I've ever suggested. But that's the point, that we evolve in stages, and we don't expect that farmers and nomads will casually wake up one day and decide to erect massive stone structures. Yet that's what we're TOLD to believe by Archaeology™.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 3:24 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
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Gobeki Tepe in Turkey
Shows that we don't know what we don't know.
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But how far back, and to what extent?
We have no idea but it is much farther than most think.
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So what happened to them? Where are they? Why hasn't more survived?
People have a hard time comprehending geologic time. 10000 years is nothing. Time is undefeated.
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the great pyramids in Egypt
We have guesses, there have been cases where it has been found that early explorers research that much of the current beliefs are based on were faked/embelished on to receive funding.
This isn't a good forum to discuss this. You have people here that will question damn near everything including science, based on their political beliefs etc. but think questioning academia's version of what happened thousands of years ago makes you a lunatic.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 3:30 pm to SpartanSoul
quote:They also voted in this president.
You have people here that will question damn near everything including science, based on their political beliefs etc.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 3:32 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
Modern humans have been around for a few hundred thousand years.
Recorded “history” as it were starts about 5500 years ago.
As you mention, Göbekli Tepe was inhabited about 12,000 years ago. It wasn’t discovered until 1963 and excavated until the mid 1990s. One of the things to consider was at the time it was inhabited, there were only an estimated 1 million people in the world.
So to answer, are there other places in the world like that we have yet to discover? I’d say probably. Is is possible that some of those places had “technology” that places we already know about didn’t have until much later, sure. Is it possible that they had some more advanced forms of writing and recorded history? Again, possible.
But I don’t see something where we find out that highly advanced civilizations which surpassed our current overall knowledge and technology existed.
Recorded “history” as it were starts about 5500 years ago.
As you mention, Göbekli Tepe was inhabited about 12,000 years ago. It wasn’t discovered until 1963 and excavated until the mid 1990s. One of the things to consider was at the time it was inhabited, there were only an estimated 1 million people in the world.
So to answer, are there other places in the world like that we have yet to discover? I’d say probably. Is is possible that some of those places had “technology” that places we already know about didn’t have until much later, sure. Is it possible that they had some more advanced forms of writing and recorded history? Again, possible.
But I don’t see something where we find out that highly advanced civilizations which surpassed our current overall knowledge and technology existed.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 3:32 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
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Which part, specifically, is false? That there are virtually no writings or carvings on the walls of the interior of the Great Pyramids? Because there aren't.
There are no hieroglyphs inside the Great Pyramid. But you said 'great pyramids' and there are some pyramids - although not the 'Great' pyramid - that do have hieroglyphic inscriptions. Semantics.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 3:41 pm to Naked Bootleg
No semantics intended. The GREAT Pyramids means specifically the 3 Giza pyramids.
Of those 3, which has writings on the walls of these supposed tombs?
If not THE Great pyramid, meaning the oldest, then which others? And to what extend do they have any writings
I was under the impression that none had them.
Of those 3, which has writings on the walls of these supposed tombs?
If not THE Great pyramid, meaning the oldest, then which others? And to what extend do they have any writings
I was under the impression that none had them.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 3:42 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
They seduced by the whispers of communism and thus wiped out .
Posted on 5/4/24 at 3:45 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
LINK . . This is an interesting interview. It's 3 hours long.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 3:48 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
I think Aliens are just past civilizations that escaped to inner earth.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 3:48 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
I don't know, but I love consuming materials that investigate this question. So many peculiar things out there that seem to refute the consensus about the history of humanity. The precision and sheer magnitude of the great pyramids alone make me wonder what kind of tech they were working with that we have yet to discover. Or the evidence that the Sphinx was at one time surrounded by water. Gobekli Tepi is another one. Fascinating stuff.
I hope I live to see what's in (under?) Antarctica. There are ancient maps based on even older maps that not only show Antarctica way before it was officially discovered, but it shows lush, fertile land.
I hope I live to see what's in (under?) Antarctica. There are ancient maps based on even older maps that not only show Antarctica way before it was officially discovered, but it shows lush, fertile land.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 3:50 pm to SpartanSoul
Biggest issue I have is the arrogance of archaeologists and paleontologists declaring theories about what they think happened thousands and tens of thousands of years ago as indisputable fact.
I’m all about scientific breakthroughs and new technology to help us understand what happened in the past. Keep digging and researching any way you can and hopefully we learn more. But the whole ‘shut down any opposing theories and end discussion based on consensus ’ crowd is doing a huge disservice to their own profession. The fact is we know very little, relatively, about ancient history. There’s too much conjecture being reported as fact. Time and time again, new information either casts doubt or completely changes what we thought to be true. Let hard evidence and facts speak for themselves.
I’m all about scientific breakthroughs and new technology to help us understand what happened in the past. Keep digging and researching any way you can and hopefully we learn more. But the whole ‘shut down any opposing theories and end discussion based on consensus ’ crowd is doing a huge disservice to their own profession. The fact is we know very little, relatively, about ancient history. There’s too much conjecture being reported as fact. Time and time again, new information either casts doubt or completely changes what we thought to be true. Let hard evidence and facts speak for themselves.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 3:51 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
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With findings of Gobeki Tepe in Turkey and other sites having been dated well before the 'established' dates of the Great Pyramids, and more giant megalithic sites being discovered around the world
Ok...
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, it's becoming more and more accepted that humans (or some form) had achieved high levels of technological advancement in the distant past.
What?
Nothing about these finds indicates high levels of technological advancement
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