re: Ancient civilizations. Y or N?

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The story between Cain & Abel till the flood mentions the formation of metal working, music and other cultural achievements. The Noah story shows that man at least believed it was possible back then to build a massive Navy vessel that man would not be capable of building for another 5,000 years.

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Well Noah never built an actual ship, for starters. If any story in the Bible is an allegory, Noah is that.

And you do realize Genesis was written by people who had metal working, music, etc., right? Their conceptualization of society is seen in Genesis.

Humans used copper possibly up to 8000 BC. Then Bronze about 3500 BC. Areas of humanity were past hunger-gather stage as early as 12000 BC (and we may find more evidence of cities older than this).

Regardless, that's not "advanced".

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I firmly believe the Great Pyramid was made during the time of Khufu.


Of this I’m skeptical.

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Because grifters like Zecharia Sitchin trumpeted the claims of other grifters and people never investigate things for themselves.

The name of Khufu is written on stones within the innards of the pyramid, stones that were never cleaned off becausee they weren't expected to see the light of day. HIs name is written in a way that was not known to science at the time. Claims that Howard Vyse faked these inscriptions are false, as he would not have known how to write Kufu's name in the way it's written.

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The loons get us to look at things we might not have thought about otherwise.

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I dont think theyre loons. The past is largely unknown.

Science just spitballs based on known evidence and the idea of universalism.

The known evidence is miniscule.

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Let’s say we nuke the world and present civilization to the ground, which now isn’t out o the realm of possibility. Who has the best chance to survive, the strongest who are capable of finding ways to survive or the smartest who are more fragile. We’d likely lose most great minds.

Chances are the surviving humans will basically start from scratch and will take possibly centuries to even scratch the surface of where we are today.

It’s not far fetched to believe that more advanced civilizations existed and met an end many thousands of years ago and it has taken this long to come this far.


It’s just a thought, but maybe we aren’t nearly as advanced as we think we are…..

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An event like that would have mass extinction effects and be detectable. You'd also see remnants of technology (how long would it take for a tank or jet to break down and dissappear?).

The simplest answer is that knowledge of how to do certain things was simply lost. Take smiting for example. I'm writing a book and wanted to be highly realistic with medieval armors and weapons. Modern smith's can only theorize how certain types of armor are made and can't perfectly replicate certain pieces of metal or leather armor. That knowledge slowly became forgotten once gunpowder dominated warfare.

So we can build supersonic jets but not the same type of leather armor that was made a few hundred years ago?

Knowledge on how ancient civilization did things can be lost, and you don't need to assume a highly advanced civilization to explain things we can't fully explain.

I think modern people underestimate how much earlier people were inspired by the idea of something beyond the material and how energizing all the unusual and unexplained features of the earth were to people who didn't have 1% of the information we have today.

Imagine an entire city filled with obsessive cult-like religious people spending every single day building/painting/sculpting and being told those acts will either save or destroy your groups ability to thrive.

The Mayans sacrificed people to the "Sun god". Why would they do something so drastic if there wasn't a near psychotic-belief that it would effect their reality or have a massive impact on their group?


What you see as advancement is really just a cult-like obsession to detail.

We saw a lot of this in Renaissance artworks, an absolute cult-like devotion to the images and detail can create something that seems almost otherworldly.

This is how I see things at least. You just have to understand how far people can be pulled into believing in something outside of the immediate material. Very tough for the modern secular/materialist/atheist to understand.

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You do realize Herodotus is regarded as a better storyteller than a historian, right? Understanding this, inscriptions aren't necessarily hieroglyphs in the sense of a traditional form of writing. And local priests & scholars aren't going to tell a foreign traveler "yep, all the gold and treasure you can imagine is over there in that valley" where the great pharaohs were actually buried.

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There's no point in talking to a glue sniffer who thinks everyone else is conspiring to keep the truth from him.

Outside of the sites that are older than we previously believed humans “settled”, there are other instances that show the ancient cultures we know about were built on the back of unknown, older, cultures.

The base of the sphinx has evidence of water erosion. We know that there hasn’t been enough water to cause this in that area of the world for at least 10,000 years. This suggests it was found by the early Egyptians, not created by them. They may have modified the statue later, but they didn’t have anything to do with the creation of the base.

Things like that are what intrigue me. Not the idea that “Atlantis” with flying vehicles and modern technology existed and then just disappeared.

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What Hancock has said about the flood and rising sea levels is worth considering as well, 80% of humans live close to the ocean. If something existed, it would be ocean floor now.

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We see megalodon teeth wash up on shores all around the world. If what Hancock said was true, shouldn’t we find evidence of these civilizations washing up as well?

Stone is going to float now?