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re: Ancient civilizations. Y or N?
Posted on 5/5/24 at 9:45 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 5/5/24 at 9:45 am to SlowFlowPro
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Well Noah never built an actual ship, for starters. If any story in the Bible is an allegory, Noah is that.
For starters, from what source(s) of "evidence" do you dismiss the historical account of either Noah or his ship-ark building as "allegorical" ? (Discerning "allegorical" from "factual" is an easy enough task -- that is, if one understands context.)
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... you do realize Genesis was written by people who had metal working, music, etc., right?
For the record, it was Moses who had written or transcribed the account of Genesis directly from God. (NOT "people".)
"Metal workings" early on in Man's history -- as well as Noah's ship-building precision craftsmanship and material design -- both provide clear and overwhelming evidence of early pre-Flood advanced civilization.
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Areas of humanity were past hunger-gather stage as early as 12000 BC (and we may find more evidence of cities older than this). Regardless, that's not "advanced".
Your theory of a "past hunger-gather stage" of a supposed humanity from a supposed 12000 BC timeline -- from who and on what basis is it to be accepted as factual? (IS it possible your Timeline is way off?)
Moreover, with respect to your claim that humanity's deep past (you say 12,000 BC) were not "advanced", how are would you explain virtually the same monolithic block structures and pyramids ruins AND canal / city infrastructures are found / strewn all across this realm from Peru to Easter Island to Turkey to India?
This realm's massive ancient civilization centers were obviously not built by so-called "hunter gathers". That leaves plausible speculation as to these builders' ID.
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Posted on 5/5/24 at 9:47 am to SouthEasternKaiju
When a majority of religious believers have been convinced that the earth is 6,000 years and that this is an infallible fact, you have to do all kinds of bullshite mental gymnastics to deal with a mountain of information to the contrary
This post was edited on 5/5/24 at 9:48 am
Posted on 5/5/24 at 9:50 am to SouthEasternKaiju
We don’t really know shite and I know this because nobody wants to talk about how multiple ancient civilizations, oceans away from each other, somehow all followed similar traditions when it came to pyramids and sky gods.
Posted on 5/5/24 at 9:50 am to Jester
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When a majority of religious believers have been convinced that the earth is 6,000 years and that this is an infallible fact
You got some polling data on this?
Posted on 5/5/24 at 9:51 am to Liberator
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For starters, from what source(s) of "evidence" do you dismiss the historical account of either Noah or his ship-ark building as "allegorical"
Explain to me how he got 2 saltwater crocodile and 2 Nile crocodiles contained and fed for 40 days. Or, how about this: 2 Cassowaries and kangaroos.
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For the record, it was Moses who had written or transcribed the account of Genesis directly from God. (NOT "people".)
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from who and on what basis is it to be accepted as factual?
Actual, tactile archeological discoveries.
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how are would you explain virtually the same monolithic block structures and pyramids ruins AND canal / city infrastructures are found / strewn all across this realm from Peru to Easter Island to Turkey to India?
Posted on 5/5/24 at 9:52 am to SlowFlowPro
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Explain to me how he got 2 saltwater crocodile and 2 Nile crocodiles contained and fed for 40 days.
Every living animal was a vegetarian before the flood.
I’ve actually heard that one before. 
Posted on 5/5/24 at 10:02 am to jcaz
It was the ELohim space aliens with the hi-tech gear who had conquered the planet way back then.
They used and abused humans, some of which they trained as chauffeurs to drive them around. Veritable Chariots of the Gods stuff.
But they weren’t the sharing type and we didn’t know how to build their space ships.
When they left Jerusalem in 70 AD as the Roman army approached according to the Talmud, that was the end of the tech in the western world.
After that time, they hung out in the Americas and Antarctica before finally leaving the planet.
Though there is something left in Antarctica which is why all the governmental higher ups want to go down there.
They used and abused humans, some of which they trained as chauffeurs to drive them around. Veritable Chariots of the Gods stuff.
But they weren’t the sharing type and we didn’t know how to build their space ships.
When they left Jerusalem in 70 AD as the Roman army approached according to the Talmud, that was the end of the tech in the western world.
After that time, they hung out in the Americas and Antarctica before finally leaving the planet.
Though there is something left in Antarctica which is why all the governmental higher ups want to go down there.
This post was edited on 5/5/24 at 10:04 am
Posted on 5/5/24 at 10:06 am to SlowFlowPro
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In these types of discussions, when people have to rely on the "establishment faked this after the fact" line it's basically a white flag situation.
"White Flag" -- oh the irony.
Re: "these types of discussions"
This is the type of dismissive comment someone makes when they are too lazy or ignorant to investigate beyond their Confirmation Bias "Official Dogma" indoctrination.
ALL of "History" AND Teachings about the past are WRITTEN BY THE VICTORS OF WAR. Fact.
Can you all imagine the number of wars and civilizations and nations that have caused a "change of guard" or power? The wholesale alterations in borders, and buried or lost science, its advances, its history over the past @9,000 years?
This necessarily means ALL of "History" is vandalized and re-named AND ERASED by those same "Victors". This new research is far more credible than any "Establishment" tripe. (The Establishment has lost ALL cred; it's far more credible for us to dismiss 95% of their current and past accounts of whatever and go 180 degree the OPPOSITE direction in hunting down Truth.)
CONCLUSION: NO Royal Academy or Smithsonian-sponsored Establishment historian or archaeologist is going to come close to getting timelines and events right. They ALWAYS "fake it", aka LIE. Why? To HIDE truth. And yes, they always fake it - "after the Fact."
Posted on 5/5/24 at 10:17 am to SlowFlowPro
Liberator quote TO SlowFlowPro:
"For starters, from what source(s) of "evidence" do you dismiss the historical account of either Noah or his ship-ark building as "allegorical""
SlowFlowPro response:
Liberator quote TO SlowFlowPro:
from who and on what basis is it to be accepted as factual?
SlowFlowPro response:
"Tactile" eh? Thanks. And here I thought you weren't going to put any thought into your answer.
Liberator quote TO SlowFlowPro:
how are would you explain virtually the same monolithic block structures and pyramids ruins AND canal / city infrastructures are found / strewn all across this realm from Peru to Easter Island to Turkey to India?
SlowFlowPro response:
(gif of a frustrated SFP responding accordingly )
Atta boy! Reason #422001+ you can't be taken seriously.
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"For starters, from what source(s) of "evidence" do you dismiss the historical account of either Noah or his ship-ark building as "allegorical""
SlowFlowPro response:
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(Jack-SQUAT.)
Liberator quote TO SlowFlowPro:
from who and on what basis is it to be accepted as factual?
SlowFlowPro response:
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Actual, tactile archeological discoveries.
"Tactile" eh? Thanks. And here I thought you weren't going to put any thought into your answer.
Liberator quote TO SlowFlowPro:
how are would you explain virtually the same monolithic block structures and pyramids ruins AND canal / city infrastructures are found / strewn all across this realm from Peru to Easter Island to Turkey to India?
SlowFlowPro response:
(gif of a frustrated SFP responding accordingly )
Atta boy! Reason #422001+ you can't be taken seriously.
> Posted on 5/5/24 at 10:45 am to Mo Jeaux
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Every living animal was a vegetarian before the flood. I’ve actually heard that one before.
Scripture answers your question:
I believe you may be able to understand this;
BEFORE Adam & Eve's seduction by the serpent the World in Eden was paradise-like. It was perfection -- there was no corruption, no sin, and NO DEATH. Animals were not afraid of Adam and his (then) family and whatever extended family there was at the time (by definition: ALL of God's Creatures were vegetarians.)
So what happened? Why do people eat meat? (btw, the Crocs aboard the Ark -- like all his other other creatures -- were under DIVINE FIAT. God controlled and STILL holds complete sovereignty over every living creature in nature still.)
Adam and Eve's disobedience to God (by eating from the Forbidden Tree)
cursed not only themselves and all future generations of man, but ALL of Creation, including the Animal Kingdom -- as well as the Land he / we live upon.
From that day forward Death Penalty of everything has been inevitable as part of this World's Curse. (Much of that penalty's result of carnivorous actions.)
After Jesus' Return (coming soon) things shall be as they once were:
The wolf and the lamb shall feed together,
The lion shall eat straw like the ox,
Isaiah 65:25 NKJV
Posted on 5/5/24 at 10:54 am to Liberator
Genesis 9 implies we were vegetarians prior to the flood.
9 Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth. 2 The fear and dread of you will fall on all the beasts of the earth, and on all the birds in the sky, on every creature that moves along the ground, and on all the fish in the sea; they are given into your hands. 3 Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.
9 Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth. 2 The fear and dread of you will fall on all the beasts of the earth, and on all the birds in the sky, on every creature that moves along the ground, and on all the fish in the sea; they are given into your hands. 3 Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.
Posted on 5/5/24 at 10:55 am to SlowFlowPro
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Explain to me how he got 2 saltwater crocodile and 2 Nile crocodiles contained and fed for 40 days. Or, how about this: 2 Cassowaries and kangaroos.
I missed this. Sorry.
"40 days"??
Those animals were in the Ark for 370 days!
So somehow you and others believe no God can impose His will upon the creatures HE made? God is God, no?
The so-called "Laws of Nature" process can be suspended or changed by God at any time. And in order for every animal to find and enter the Ark, they were obvious commanded and led to do so. This was an obvious Supernatural Event.
There was feed and food and water aboard the Ark -- but do you believe God was incapable during Noah's Flood of rendering food & water intake to a minimal? The Laws of Physics do NOT apply in cases of Divine Fiat.
The process by with His Creatures 2x2 were able to live 370 days upon the Ark (btw, proven to be large enough to accommodate young creatures) again, can only be possible via Divine Fiat.
Posted on 5/5/24 at 10:55 am to Liberator
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ALL of God's Creatures were vegetarians.)
This is so dumb. Posted on 5/5/24 at 10:57 am to THog
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Genesis 9 implies we were vegetarians prior to the flood...
....[NOW] every creature that moves along the ground, and on all the fish in the sea; they are given into your hands. 3 [NOW] Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.
Posted on 5/5/24 at 11:01 am to THog
Per two of every kind on the ark, imo "kind" could be family or order. What if evolution (within "kind") is more rapid than thought? Majority of dna is junk dna. What if there is an on/off mechanism for junk dna?
How do we have wolves, poodles, great danes, chihuahuas, dachshunds in less than 10,000 years when evolution tells us it takes millions of years?
And yes, i know this artificial (human guided selection) when referring to dog breeds.
How do we have wolves, poodles, great danes, chihuahuas, dachshunds in less than 10,000 years when evolution tells us it takes millions of years?
And yes, i know this artificial (human guided selection) when referring to dog breeds.
This post was edited on 5/5/24 at 11:05 am
Posted on 5/5/24 at 11:02 am to Mo Jeaux
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This is so dumb.
We were all little squiggly water bugs at one point, right? How much meat did we eat then?
Not taking a side in this, just aligning the record on both sides. Carnivorous life did not begin with life on this planet. Just saying.
Posted on 5/5/24 at 11:07 am to GRTiger
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We were all little squiggly water bugs at one point, right? How much meat did we eat then?
Not taking a side in this, just aligning the record on both sides. Carnivorous life did not begin with life on this planet. Just saying.
This is dumb too to be honest. Keep your eyes on the ball. Were actual crocodiles vegetarians?
Posted on 5/5/24 at 11:08 am to SlowFlowPro
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Stone is going to float now?
What you talking bout Willis?
Posted on 5/5/24 at 11:08 am to nealnan8
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Why do you think that being smart is antithetical to being strong? There are lots of people who have both of these qualities.
He’s probably dumb and thinks smart people are weak
Posted on 5/5/24 at 11:09 am to Mo Jeaux
It's only dumb if you ignore that I said I wasn't taking a side here. I don't believe what liberator believes.
If Noah was real and his boat was real, I am not going to assume he had literally two of every animal we've ever heard of. At best it would be regional. Not sure when crocs became a dominant species in Noah's area of the world, or if they ever were.
If Noah was real and his boat was real, I am not going to assume he had literally two of every animal we've ever heard of. At best it would be regional. Not sure when crocs became a dominant species in Noah's area of the world, or if they ever were.
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