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re: Who should the main target be?
Posted on 5/14/24 at 10:58 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 5/14/24 at 10:58 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Ok, so you haven't pointed out the difference between 1 guy being a top 3 player in the league and other being on your "DO NOT GET" list.
Again, Luka was having the same questions asked, with one miracle run.
If it's off court/locker room stuff, I'd get that. But you're arguing about Trae on court which is wild.
quote:Correctly, but he IS a bad defender. He's getting abused in these playoffs every night, just a total lack of effort.
And Luka isn't a historically bad defender.
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Posted on 5/14/24 at 10:59 am to SlowFlowPro
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We passed on the opportunity to get Murray for peanuts at the deadline.
They reportedly demanded Herb in return and that was a deal breaker. I think if the price was JV + Dyson or Hawk + 2 picks for Murray and Okongwu a deal would have been done.
Posted on 5/14/24 at 10:59 am to SlowFlowPro
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ATL is also imploding, but I just don't want Trae (clearly). We passed on the opportunity to get Murray for peanuts at the deadline.
It was widely known they wanted Herb for Murray. Were you ok putting him in the trade to get Murray at the deadline?
Posted on 5/14/24 at 11:00 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:I wouldn't exactly call Herb Jones "peanuts"
We passed on the opportunity to get Murray for peanuts at the deadline.
Posted on 5/14/24 at 11:01 am to shel311
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Ok, so you haven't pointed out the difference between 1 guy being a top 3 player in the league and other being on your "DO NOT GET" list.
Size, physicality, and defense makes a huge difference.
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If it's off court/locker room stuff, I'd get that. B
I mean that's a huge issue that hasn't even entered the chat yet (although Luka has had similar issues, like with Porzingas)
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Correctly, but he IS a bad defender.
Compared to Trae, he's Herb
Posted on 5/14/24 at 11:02 am to TigerinATL
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They reportedly demanded Herb in return and that was a deal breaker.
I actually didn't know that. Why was the LAL offer that was drastically shittier, considered? Makes no sense.
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I think if the price was JV + Dyson or Hawk + 2 picks for Murray and Okongwu a deal would have been done.
Even that was more than LAL's offer that ATL was considering
Posted on 5/14/24 at 11:11 am to SlowFlowPro
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Why was the LAL offer that was drastically shittier, considered? Makes no sense.
Im not sure if that was more LA leaks insinuating Hawks were interested when they weren’t or the Hawks trying to make Pels give up Herb.
Posted on 5/14/24 at 11:11 am to TigerinATL
I’m still saying Trae should be the top target. Think I remember a stat that only him and Oscar Robertson are the only players in nba history to have over 30 points and ten assists in so many games in a row.
He is definitely a flawed player, but is exactly what we need on offense and pairs perfectly with Trey and Herb. I think he’s devalued enough to where it shouldn’t cost much more than BI to obtain him. And with Zion, teams will not have the option to concentrate on him.
He is definitely a flawed player, but is exactly what we need on offense and pairs perfectly with Trey and Herb. I think he’s devalued enough to where it shouldn’t cost much more than BI to obtain him. And with Zion, teams will not have the option to concentrate on him.
This post was edited on 5/14/24 at 11:13 am
Posted on 5/14/24 at 11:12 am to SlowFlowPro
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It's not about valuation, it's about team-ready replacements.
If they were to deal Mobley, it would be to keep Allen (among other reasons). There is no replacement for Garland if Mitchell is out to a big market.
I’m not going to keep this back and forth up because you are clearly missing the point. This isn’t about what the Cavs should/could do, it’s what they will/will not do. Those decisions are based on their own valuations of Garland and Mobley. Based on how they feel about Mobley, there is no universe that Mobley is on our team next year.
Posted on 5/14/24 at 11:14 am to Baron
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Based on how they feel about Mobley, there is no universe that Mobley is on our team next year.
Then they may be completely fricked, if they take a haircut on both Mitchell and Allen.
They won't be a playoff team and they won't have draft capital for year.s
Posted on 5/14/24 at 11:15 am to Townedrunkard
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I’m still saying Trae should be the top target. Think I remember a stat that only him and Oscar Robertson are the only players in nba history to have over 30 points and ten assists in so many games in a row. He is definitely a flawed player, but is exactly what we need and pairs perfectly with Trey and Herb. I think he’s devalued enough to where it shouldn’t cost much more than BI to obtain him. And with Zion, teams will not have the option to concentrate on him.
I look at it this way. What did we learn from the thunder series. We need shotmakers and creators who can beat very good defenses especially when Zion is either hurt or he gets stifled inside. To me thats why you get Trae.
I like Murray but Im not sure he helps you as much as Trae would. This team had severe offensive issues without Zion in the playoffs. I think Trae keeps this team afloat offensively. I also think you have defenders on this team to surround Trae with to help with his defensive issues.
Posted on 5/14/24 at 11:23 am to Townedrunkard
quote:Yea lately I've been saying I'd take Trae but probably not my top choice.
I’m still saying Trae should be the top target
But the more I think about it, the more I think you just go out and try to get the very best player and figure out the rest after. Not saying he's perfect and doesn't have many concerns, but Trae is very clearly the best player of all the potential dudes being discussed.
So part of me thinks there's no reason to over think it, just get the best player.
High risk, high reward. But I'm good with that.
Posted on 5/14/24 at 11:25 am to Pels_Yaz
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That being said he has major defensive issues and you likely have to trade CJ if you get Trae. But the dynamic of a Trae/Zion pick and roll would be ridiculously fun to watch.
Yes there is no reason to keep CJ with Trae on board. Maybe he could be used to get Allen from the Cavs if they trade Spyder. I’m sure we’d have to kick in some additional assets. But this is the way to go.
Posted on 5/14/24 at 11:25 am to TigerinATL
Trae Young 15.6 - I think he pairs great with Zion, instantly becomes your finisher - unlike BI, he can at least get fouled, and I think Herb can cover his defensive deficiencies. I don't like him, but he may be like Kyrie and just need a change of scenery. CJ either gets dealt or goes to the bench.
Darius Garland 15.2 - He's just a young CJ IMO. Need to move CJ if we get him.
Dejounte Murray 15.1 - I like the fit, but Klutch.
Coby White 13.8 - How's his defense?
Collin Sexton 12.9 - I like the fit but is he a needle mover?
Scoot Henderson 12.0 - frick no. He still sucks.
Tyler Hero 11.9 - Maybe a worse defender than CJ. What's the point?
Anfernee Simons 11.6 - Ok, but doesn't really solve anything and is redundant with CJ.
Jaden Ivey 10.9 - Can't shoot which is an issue but he could be a buy low guy with huge upside so I'm interested.
Immanuel Quickly 10.0 - Honestly, don't know anything about him.
Darius Garland 15.2 - He's just a young CJ IMO. Need to move CJ if we get him.
Dejounte Murray 15.1 - I like the fit, but Klutch.
Coby White 13.8 - How's his defense?
Collin Sexton 12.9 - I like the fit but is he a needle mover?
Scoot Henderson 12.0 - frick no. He still sucks.
Tyler Hero 11.9 - Maybe a worse defender than CJ. What's the point?
Anfernee Simons 11.6 - Ok, but doesn't really solve anything and is redundant with CJ.
Jaden Ivey 10.9 - Can't shoot which is an issue but he could be a buy low guy with huge upside so I'm interested.
Immanuel Quickly 10.0 - Honestly, don't know anything about him.
Posted on 5/14/24 at 11:27 am to shel311
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But the more I think about it, the more I think you just go out and try to get the very best player and figure out the rest after. Not saying he's perfect and doesn't have many concerns, but Trae is very clearly the best player of all the potential dudes being discussed.
Look at it this way. No one wanted Kyrie and here he is leading Dallas in the playoffs. When a star is available, despite his defincies, you try to get him. And yes he has defensive issues- but you have great defensive players and defensive minded coach, you also have a coach who’s not the best offensive game planner- Trae with his own creation solves that and most of all on the court Trae meshes well with Zion plus seems like they have the same agency as well. Plus most of all you have assets to get him.
This post was edited on 5/14/24 at 11:29 am
Posted on 5/14/24 at 11:30 am to SlowFlowPro
We should be targeting Donovan Mitchell.
I don’t care that he has one year left. I’d rather take the chance in being really good next year with him and convincing him to stay than getting a bunch of role players back for BI. I’m sure we can work some kind of S&T if he bolts and get something back.
I want someone clearly better than BI at what BI does for this team. We have the assets to make offers for that kind of player.
Unpopular opinion I’m sure, but I’d take Jim Harden right now as well. He’s about as pure a PG out there, and he knows how to close games.
And I hate Harden.
What’s Phoenix going to do? I seriously doubt they run it back. I don’t want Beal, but I’d gladly take either of the other two stars.
I would love to get Trae Young, but BI and CJ need to go if he comes in. Trae and Herb backcourt would be great. Trae and CJ backcourt would be dreadful.
And if I really wanted to take a chance, then I’d go after Scoot.
I don’t mind targeting Murray, Sexton or White as a consolation prize, but I’d rather go big game hunting first, and I’d be willing up to give up a lot to do so.
If it took BI and Trey to get Booker, I’d do it.
I don’t care that he has one year left. I’d rather take the chance in being really good next year with him and convincing him to stay than getting a bunch of role players back for BI. I’m sure we can work some kind of S&T if he bolts and get something back.
I want someone clearly better than BI at what BI does for this team. We have the assets to make offers for that kind of player.
Unpopular opinion I’m sure, but I’d take Jim Harden right now as well. He’s about as pure a PG out there, and he knows how to close games.
And I hate Harden.
What’s Phoenix going to do? I seriously doubt they run it back. I don’t want Beal, but I’d gladly take either of the other two stars.
I would love to get Trae Young, but BI and CJ need to go if he comes in. Trae and Herb backcourt would be great. Trae and CJ backcourt would be dreadful.
And if I really wanted to take a chance, then I’d go after Scoot.
I don’t mind targeting Murray, Sexton or White as a consolation prize, but I’d rather go big game hunting first, and I’d be willing up to give up a lot to do so.
If it took BI and Trey to get Booker, I’d do it.
This post was edited on 5/14/24 at 11:33 am
Posted on 5/14/24 at 11:32 am to TeddyPadillac
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Unpopular opinion I’m sure, but I’d take Jim Harden right now as well. He’s about as pure a PG out there, and he knows how to close games.
lol wut? The absolute last thing we need around Zion is Harden. Hardest of all passes. Plus playoff Harden is almost as shitty as BI.
Posted on 5/14/24 at 11:33 am to shel311
That's where I'm leaning too. If we're moving on from BI, might as well go all out there a grab the best talent available and say you did everything in your power to upgrade the roster.
At the end of the day, if things don't work out, Young will still have value around the league to set up other trades.
With a guy like Young, he's at least able to carry the team on his back if Zion gets injured. Other options will not be able to hold down the fort.
At the end of the day, if things don't work out, Young will still have value around the league to set up other trades.
With a guy like Young, he's at least able to carry the team on his back if Zion gets injured. Other options will not be able to hold down the fort.
Posted on 5/14/24 at 11:33 am to Townedrunkard
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He is definitely a flawed player, but is exactly what we need on offense and pairs perfectly with Trey and Herb.
If you bring in Trae, you absolutely HAVE to keep Herb. That said, I don't even know if Herb is enough to make up for Trae on defense.
Posted on 5/14/24 at 11:34 am to ghost2most
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Plus playoff Harden is almost as shitty as BI
He’s had outstanding playoff performances as well. He ain’t perfect.
That’s why we have Zion. If Zion doesn’t grow into a top 5ish player none of this matters anyway b/c we ain’t winning shite until that happens.
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