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re: United Methodist Church votes to allow gay marriage and gay clergy
Posted on 5/2/24 at 7:34 am to RollTide1987
Posted on 5/2/24 at 7:34 am to RollTide1987
Can they vote to have the calories not count in birthday cake also? I mean... It's wrong to have effects from something you love; so, if they can change the effects of sin by a vote they can just as easily do it for calories , right?
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Posted on 5/2/24 at 7:36 am to Stitches
quote:Sola Scriptura is about authority. It’s about the standard that the Christian church is held to by God for binding consciences. When the Bible is ignored when it plainly teaches about sexual sins and cultural perspectives are embraced as governing the actions of the church instead, then that is not sola scriptura. That is placing other authorities above the Scriptures instead.
This statement would only make sense if the denominations which reject the self-defeating doctrine of Sola Scriptura had this problem, and yet, only the denominations which adhere to Sola Scriptura are experiencing schisms over this issue.
So like I said, this happens when a church (like the UMC) moves away from the Bible as its sole infallible rule for faith and life.
This post was edited on 5/2/24 at 7:37 am
Posted on 5/2/24 at 7:45 am to imjustafatkid
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Go back to your Mary worship
hey dumbass it is called veneration of saints and it is biblical. educate your naive, ignorant self.
go back to believing BS like sola fide and sola scriptura which has been debunked
here read this and try not to look stupid like foo man blew the calvinist
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re: Actor Shia LeBeouf converts to Catholicism
Posted on 8/26/22 at 5:23 pm to FooManChoo
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I believe in sola scriptura
which has been debunked. along with sola fide. the bible itself debunks this if you can read. oh wait, you have the wrong bible also huh?
sola fide is false
sola scriptura debunked
you are as bad as a democrat here with lutheran/calvinist hogwash. you have been proven wrong so many times here i have lost count. I guess i should have made you a punch list like i did for democrats on election fraud with links? and happenings? you are a hack.
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not sola ecclesia.
nobody argues church alone. but scripture did say the church is the pillar and bulwark of the truth.
1 Timothy 3:15
your issue is putting scripture, the church and traditions all together like they should be. just like grace, faith and works. The one, holy, catholic and apostolic church gave us the bible in 397 AD when they approved it. Even paul stated follow the traditions I taught you by word of mouth or by letter. That debunks sola scriptura as well.
instead you profess sola scriptura and sola fide. Both are false.
Posted on 5/2/24 at 7:53 am to Fat Bastard
quote:You know that I responded to that post, right?
here read this and try not to look stupid like foo man blew the calvinist
Posted on 5/2/24 at 8:02 am to Deuces
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Compared to the size of the Catholic Church, these incidents appeared with a tiny fraction of the clergy. Like one thousandth of a percentage.
Just the known cases are much more than that, and everyone knows it. The size of the Catholic church is not a positive in this tragedy. Not only because of the sheer numbers of lives and families destroyed, but also in the fact that having this happen in so many places around the world, with it being suppressed and covered up around the world for decades, maybe even centuries, more than implicates the layer upon layer of bureaucracy that is the Catholic church, right up to the Pope.
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While it is indeed wrong and some in the church did not react to it correctly (and frankly tried to cover it up), it doesn’t delegitimize the entire organization.
So the church is bigger and more important than several hundred thousand children being abused, having their childhood and lives destroyed, destroying their families, and affecting every relationship they have for the rest of their lives. You don't think that is one of the most indecent things a person could say about this situation?
Posted on 5/2/24 at 8:23 am to troyt37
This thread is about another major Protestant denomination normalizing a new theology that accepts Homosexual sexual activity as Holy and Blessed by Jesus Christ Himself.
There is no need to Hi-Jack this thread with other unrelated topics involving the Roman Catholic Church. Indeed, such tactics are known as Diversionary Tactics. If you are trying to divert the attention away from what Protestantism is becoming, then, you are advancing the agenda of the New Reformers who are re-writing Protestant Christian teaching on Gay Male Sex and other Gay Sex.
Are you trying to advance the agenda of these sexual deviants?
There's no need to Hi Jack this thread.
There is no need to Hi-Jack this thread with other unrelated topics involving the Roman Catholic Church. Indeed, such tactics are known as Diversionary Tactics. If you are trying to divert the attention away from what Protestantism is becoming, then, you are advancing the agenda of the New Reformers who are re-writing Protestant Christian teaching on Gay Male Sex and other Gay Sex.
Are you trying to advance the agenda of these sexual deviants?
There's no need to Hi Jack this thread.
Posted on 5/2/24 at 8:26 am to troyt37
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So the church is bigger and more important than several hundred thousand children being abused, having their childhood and lives destroyed, destroying their families, and affecting every relationship they have for the rest of their lives. You don't think that is one of the most indecent things a person could say about this situation?
Where are you getting these numbers from?
It’s a fact that the same percentage of abuse of children has occurred in Protestant churches, as a poster told you previously.
Are we supposed to give up on Christianity if that’s the case? Your argument would be leading to this conclusion.
Posted on 5/2/24 at 8:29 am to Champagne
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There is no need to Hi-Jack this thread with other unrelated topics involving the Roman Catholic Church.
You might want to look at the first post that brought Catholicism into the discussion, way back on page 1. I'm pretty sure it was a Catholic poster.
Deuces:
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Say what you want about the Catholic Church, but there’s a reason it stays so rigid to it’s old rules.
When you budge on any of these issues, it creates a terribly slippery slope.
That’s why Pope Francis has caught the amount of flack he has.
Posted on 5/2/24 at 8:29 am to FooManChoo
The clear language of the Bible indicates that Jesus changed Simon's name to Peter, which means "Rock". Jesus then gave the Keys "to the Kingdom of Heaven", and conferred the "binding and loosing" powers upon Peter.
ALL OF CHRISTENDOM and the entire Christian Church taught these Truths for over Fifteen Centuries - over one-thousand and five hundred years.
What kind of sick man would step up and announce that God's children had gotten it all wrong for over 1,500 years?
You must be joking.
ALL OF CHRISTENDOM and the entire Christian Church taught these Truths for over Fifteen Centuries - over one-thousand and five hundred years.
What kind of sick man would step up and announce that God's children had gotten it all wrong for over 1,500 years?
You must be joking.
Posted on 5/2/24 at 8:34 am to Flats
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You might want to look at the first post that brought Catholicism into the discussion, way back on page 1. I'm pretty sure it was a Catholic poster.
Was anything I said wrong?
You cannot budge on these issues or everything goes completely into turmoil. It’s the moral of the story.
Posted on 5/2/24 at 8:34 am to RollTide1987
All I can say is when you turn your back on God’s plan for mankind, you can call yourself a Christian church all you like, but you are not a church associated with Christ any longer. You now transformed into a false religion, never to be associated with God any longer, or rather the God of our creation. Might as well construct a golden calf and worship it, because that’s in essence exactly what you just did.
Posted on 5/2/24 at 8:42 am to Deuces
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If I'm not mistaken, these are US numbers only.
You mean the guy that said it is one thousandth of a percent? Check the link.
That's an odd assertion. Give up on religion as a corporate business? Sure. I gave up on religion long ago. Religion is the kind of thing that condones and covers up child abuse. Religion makes it okay to persecute and even execute non-believers. Religion is what tells people it is their duty to fly planes into buildings and behead people.
Faith and belief in God and His Son Jesus, released from the man-made evil of religion, does not allow for such atrocities.
If I'm not mistaken, these are US numbers only.
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It’s a fact that the same percentage of abuse of children has occurred in Protestant churches, as a poster told you previously.
You mean the guy that said it is one thousandth of a percent? Check the link.
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Are we supposed to give up on Christianity if that’s the case? Your argument would be leading to this conclusion.
That's an odd assertion. Give up on religion as a corporate business? Sure. I gave up on religion long ago. Religion is the kind of thing that condones and covers up child abuse. Religion makes it okay to persecute and even execute non-believers. Religion is what tells people it is their duty to fly planes into buildings and behead people.
Faith and belief in God and His Son Jesus, released from the man-made evil of religion, does not allow for such atrocities.
Posted on 5/2/24 at 8:49 am to Deuces
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Was anything I said wrong?
You cannot budge on these issues or everything goes completely into turmoil. It’s the moral of the story.
Not necessarily, but I'm not the one complaining about including the Catholic church in this discussion.
Posted on 5/2/24 at 8:55 am to Champagne
Champagne:
Also Champagne, a few posts down:
BTW, Peter means pebble. The rock that the church is built upon is the fact that Jesus is the Son of God. You don't build a church on a pebble.
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This thread is about another major Protestant denomination normalizing a new theology that accepts Homosexual sexual activity as Holy and Blessed by Jesus Christ Himself.
There is no need to Hi-Jack this thread with other unrelated topics involving the Roman Catholic Church. Indeed, such tactics are known as Diversionary Tactics.
Also Champagne, a few posts down:
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The clear language of the Bible indicates that Jesus changed Simon's name to Peter, which means "Rock". Jesus then gave the Keys "to the Kingdom of Heaven", and conferred the "binding and loosing" powers upon Peter.
ALL OF CHRISTENDOM and the entire Christian Church taught these Truths for over Fifteen Centuries - over one-thousand and five hundred years.
BTW, Peter means pebble. The rock that the church is built upon is the fact that Jesus is the Son of God. You don't build a church on a pebble.
Posted on 5/2/24 at 8:56 am to RollTide1987
Gay marriage is legal and I have no problem
With it but for a Christian pastor to perform a gay wedding is against Christianity. It would be no different than a pastor supporting adultery. It doesn’t mean an adulterer can come to church or be a church member.
With it but for a Christian pastor to perform a gay wedding is against Christianity. It would be no different than a pastor supporting adultery. It doesn’t mean an adulterer can come to church or be a church member.
Posted on 5/2/24 at 9:15 am to FooManChoo
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When the Bible is ignored when it plainly teaches about sexual sins and cultural perspectives are embraced as governing the actions of the church instead, then that is not sola scriptura.
Ah, the No true Scotsman fallacy.
Posted on 5/2/24 at 9:22 am to Stitches
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Ah, the No true Scotsman fallacy.
The 1st cousin of the "not the real Pope" fallacy.
Posted on 5/2/24 at 9:23 am to wackatimesthree
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Auburn United Methodist downtown?
No. Asbury United Methodist in Birmingham.
I have family in Auburn area that have discussed that shite show though.
Posted on 5/2/24 at 11:34 am to Stitches
quote:Actually no. I was correcting his understanding of what sola scriptura applies to. It's a doctrine fundamentally about authority for Christians. When a congregation or denomination makes some other thing a higher authority than the Scriptures in terms of determining doctrine, then they are not adhering to sola scriptura. This is not a "no true Scotsman" fallacy because I'm operating off of a definitional understanding of the doctrine.
Ah, the No true Scotsman fallacy.
If a professing Christian is claiming that the Bible as their highest authority commands them to support these things, then that's a different conversation about hermeneutics.
Posted on 5/2/24 at 11:47 am to FooManChoo
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When a congregation or denomination makes some other thing a higher authority than the Scriptures in terms of determining doctrine, then they are not adhering to sola scriptura. This is not a "no true Scotsman" fallacy
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If a professing Christian is claiming that the Bible as their highest authority commands them to support these things, then that's a different conversation about hermeneutics.
The UMC is making these decisions based on how it's leaders interpret scripture.
In other words, they are allowing publicly practicing homosexuals to be ordained and married within the church based on what they think scripture teaches.
However, according to you, no true adherent of Sola Scriptura would interpret scripture in such a way as to support these recent doctrines of the UMC.
That is quite literally the No true Scotsman fallacy.
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