re: Kirk Herbstreit and Desmond Howard puzzled why NY6 games are "meaningless" to people

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I don't fault anyone for their opinions but just pointing out that the argument of it being a non CFP game as reason to sit out really doesn't change much.

While being the CFP champion is a great achievement that very few have the opportunity to reach, is it worth the chance of career ending injury, especially since it's 2 extra games instead of one?

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I don't disagree with you. That was just my personal line if I were a player. I would want to play in those games personally.

But if any of these kids that are actually playing, opt out, I don't judge them one way or the other.

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Otherwise, the school loyalty and pride aspect is forever gone.

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I don't think it's as foregone as everyone makes it out to be. There's still a lot of school pride after the fact.

Granted, I think we inevitably headed to the situation you are laying out.

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That will never happen though.

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Not unless they can figure out a way to monetize it.

Even then, I'd rather play for a university/college team then worry about the plights of a minor league.

Just look at baseball.

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Even the orange bowl last night was half full in the second half.

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That's b/c we whipped that Michigan arse and the game was essentially over in the 2Q.

Yeah I was gonna say that game looked pretty good for attendance until the 3rd/4th Q when the game was in hand.

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This is overstated.

If I'm a potential first round - second round pick in the NFL and I'm not on a team in the playoff, I'm not risking my (and my future generation's) livelihood just so Nola Tiger LSU will think I'm loyal.

Any of these players who will go on to the NFL get hurt in one of these non CFP bowl games, then what? A bunch of randoms on a message board talk about how it's a shame I got hurt, for two weeks, then everyone goes on with their life except the player who is now screwed out of millions.

As if anyone in here has never left a job for a better opportunity elsewhere.

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I will use Derek Stingley as an example here. The Rant loved Stingley in 2019 as a freshman then turned on him over public interviews his dad did. Derek is a quiet kid & doesn't do interviews or comments on social media yet fans took his dad's words & made them Derek's. It's complete bullshite.

Not only that but these same fans completely ignored the fact that Derek tried to play through injury in both 2020 & 2021. I thought that's what these tards love to see instead they criticized him playing hurt as giving lack of effort simply because they didn't like comments his dad made on local radio.

Most of these same fans are Saints fan crossovers & they had the same criticisms of Alvin Kamara when he tried playing with an injury 2 years ago. They said he become soft because he got paid then jumped right back on his nutsack when he started balling again because he was healthy.

Back to Derek Stingley. These same idiots either don't know or have forgotten what the Stingley family has experienced in terms of how quickly a football career can end. Not just a football career but how quickly football can change a player's life in the worst way. It's like they don't know the story about his grandfather Darryl Stingley.



Jack Tatum hit on Darryl Stingley

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Darryl Stingley was a standout running back in high school but was later converted to wide receiver when he attended Purdue University. He spent three seasons at Purdue before the New England Patriots selected him in the first round of the 1973 NFL draft. He was selected with the 19th overall pick.

Stingley, the grandfather of LSU cornerback Derek Stingley Jr., spent five seasons in the NFL, all with the Patriots. He had his most productive year during the 1977 season when he caught 39 passes for 657 yards. He also caught five touchdown passes. Stingley also rushed for 33 yards and a touchdown that season.

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In a preseason game between the New England Patriots and the Oakland Raiders on Aug. 12, 1978, Darryl Stingley’s life changed forever. The New England Patriots wide receiver left his feet and extended his arms for the ball as Raiders safety Jack Tatum delivered what the New York Times described as “an intentionally violent hit” that left Stingley a quadriplegic. Tatum was not penalized on the play.

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Tatum never reached out to check in on Stingley after the incident, while Stingley constantly relived that moment day in and day out.

“I have relived that moment over and over again,” Stingley said in 1998. “I was 26 years old at the time and I remember thinking, What’s going to happen to me? If I live, what am I going to be like? And then there were all those whys, whys, whys.” In 1983, Stingley said he had never heard from Tatum. “He has not contacted me, not even a mystery postcard. The bottom line is that I feel sorry for him,” he said. “He’s a man that can’t bend to really be a man. Sitting in my wheelchair, I’m taller than he is.”

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Starting the very night of the injury, John Madden was at Stingley’s bedside, almost daily, for months, years. On that first night, with Stingley headed into surgery to save his life, Madden did not see Patriots coach Chuck Fairbanks at the hospital. Madden got a phone, called the Oakland Airport, and demanded that Fairbanks, awaiting the team’s charter to take them back to Boston, be put on the line.

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“You get Chuck Fairbanks off that plane,” Madden insisted.
Madden would visit Stingley again and again. One day, Stingley’s ventilator stopped working as Madden sat bedside. Like the coach on the sidelines, like the man who bursts through the wall in the Miller Lite ads, Madden began screaming, waving his arms, someone come help this man! Madden sounding the alarm that day was credited with saving Stingley’s life.

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But Madden’s invaluable contributions to Stingley’s arduous recovery extended well beyond the hospital room, extended beyond the gesture of leaving Raiders practices and driving several hours to the hospital to visit every day.
Madden and his wife Virginia left an open-ended invitation for Stingley’s family members to stay at the Madden home during visits and use of a family car for transportation to the hospital. When Stingley’s girlfriend packed nothing to fly as fast she could to be at Darryl’s bedside in the days after the injury, Madden bought her new clothes to wear during her extended stay. After the 1978 regular-season opener in Denver, Madden flew home with the team to Oakland and went to the hospital to visit.

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The majority of fans are simple minded buffoons. Their attitudes & mindsets are most times equally as bad or worse than the players they criticize.

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But if any of these kids that are actually playing, opt out, I don't judge them one way or the other.

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I don’t either. But at the same time, it’s unhealthy for college football. Just the way things go, I guess. We’ve had great college football for decades and decades, with all the traditions and pageantry and entertaining gameplay we’ve come to love and expect. Now it’s quickly becoming something else, an openly NFL minor league, which for the fan of the sport and fan of most schools is not a good thing.

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Why should they? Do the coaches, schools, or fans have any loyalty or concern for them?

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You have to be under 30. Coaches are adults earning a living, we all leave jobs for more money when we earned the right to do so, but we all earned that right (after yrs). Coaches for example come up through a GA system etc and their lives include a lot of sacrifices to be successful. Kids playing a game have yet to learn what it is like to earn their way or be loyal to their team. Theyve been handed free reign by the time theyre 20 and they are maladjusted to real life. It's all become ridiculous and the whining abt coaches is nothing more than crying from kids who dont understand arriving in the real world. Go out, play all the games, and youre 21 or 22 and then you earn your right to go do whatever you want, no coach can do that at 22, they take whatever gig they can so by the time theyre in 30s or 40s they have options. That is life, you work hard and pay the price so that in your 30s and 40s you have qiality of life and do what you want. Acting like it's unfair for an 18 yr old to honor commitments is childish and ruined the game. Look at Penn St, having to burn red shirts bc these immature kids have no loyalty to those that battled with them this yr.

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I liked the BCS best when computers provided 60% of the total. It's gone downhill from there. Humans dramatically skew their votes with internal biases based on name recognition, emotions, and recency bias.

Computers just crunch the data and unapologetically give you the answer.

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Agreed. The BCS dug their own grave by giving more weight back to the human polls, which defeated the whole point of the BCS.

Then they introduced the Harris Interactive Poll as another component, which was a precursor to the CFP committee.

The sport has basically regressed back to the old poll era. The media just repackaged it under the guise of the playoff to make it more acceptable.

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Message Kirk Herbstreit and Desmond Howard puzzled why NY6 games are "meaningless" to people by biglego I grew up loving bowl season. It was one of those unique and fun aspects of college football. But of course everything always has to get bigger and better to drive more money. And in the process we lose what made it so enchanting.

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This. That teams without winning records can play in bowl games ruined the luster of bowl games in general.

At least the Rose bowl, ironically in one of the most liberal states in America, is still packed wall to wall.