re: Who has had the better football resume since 2000 - LSU or Ohio State?

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Bama was AWFUL for the first 8 years of the 2000s. Auburn is an 8-4 team with a few really good years in there. UF has been good not great outside the Meyer years.

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And yet they along with LSU represent 50% of the national championships in this time span. LSU has had significant barriers to winning championships because 3 teams they play every year have won titles. Ohio state cannot say that. For the most part, they play 1 tough game a year.

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We are talking overall resume, that's literally the question. National titles obviously matter,

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They matter more than literally anything else. I’d take 3 straight mediocre to good bowls and a title in year 4 over 4 straight rose bowls any day, and you’re lying if you say you wouldn’t. You just can’t win the titles argument so you’re shifting to “muh better meaningless bowl games” argument.

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OSU has been in the title conversation for 20 years straight; LSU has been in and out of it over the same time period.

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So LSU has won more with fewer opportunities while OSU has squandered the easier path time after time. And you think that’s something to brag about.

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The answer is not very close when they are tied 2/2 in national titles

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Yes it is and it's not debatable. OSU plays in a weak conference, period.

Quit trying to make them some juggernaut, it's a joke with their SOS. Maybe one hard game during the season.

You OSU fans are the worst

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I mean if you take away 2019, how close is the argument? Just cut it off for both teams. The answer is not very close when they are tied 2/2 in national titles

Then you add in one additional data point, in which both teams were top 5 teams. one team won the title, the other lost on multiple bad calls in the semifinals with a hurt starting QB and hurt starting RB who were both heisman vote getters.

If Joe Burrow gets hurt in the game against OU or Ole Miss, LSU sure as hell isn't winning the national title. Every LSU fan should readily admit that. As I said, shite happens. If Dobbins and Fields are healthy, they beat Clemson by 3 TDs and set up an absolutely epic title game in all likelihood. It's how the cookie crumbles

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“Well what if LSU wasn’t better? Then you couldn’t say LSU was better!”

What a cringe argument.

If my aunt had a dick, she’d be my transgender aunt. The games were played. The titles were won. Joe Burrow didn’t get hurt. Let’s talk in the real world instead of playing hypotheticals and gerrymandering the time frame to make your case.

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I mean if you take away 2019, how close is the argument? Just cut it off for both teams. The answer is not very close when they are tied 2/2 in national titles

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I mean if we started in 2003, then LSU would have 3 and OSU 1. Why not just start there and cut off 2000-2002 for both teams?

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Then you add in one additional data point, in which both teams were top 5 teams. one team won the title, the other lost on multiple bad calls in the semifinals with a hurt starting QB and hurt starting RB who were both heisman vote getters. If Joe Burrow gets hurt in the game against OU or Ole Miss, LSU sure as hell isn't winning the national title. Every LSU fan should readily admit that. As I said, shite happens. If Dobbins and Fields are healthy, they beat Clemson by 3 TDs and set up an absolutely epic title game in all likelihood. It's how the cookie crumbles.

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FFS “what if everything that happened didn’t actually happen and what if things that didn’t happen somehow did happen?”

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LSU’s highs have been higher, but their lows have also been lower.

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LSU has been pretty consistent though. Nothing like an OSU 2011 with 6-7.

It really comes down to OSU being the regional heavyweight and LSU being stuck with Bama and occasionally Auburn and Florida. OSU has not faced that kind of in-conference beast since 2006.

Obviously it's impossible to do this, but if you removed Auburn 2006, Auburn 2010 (assuming LSU doesn't also blow AR game), Bama 2011, Bama 2012 LSU is a legit NC team in each year.

I'm giving this to LSU over several metrics.

More national titles during that stretch.
Head to head win for a national title, in that stretch.
No losing seasons in that stretch.

Ohio State has better W-L record and some better bowl appearances, but that's balanced by LSU facing a tougher schedule in conference; Michigan St has the only other playoff appearance for the Big 10. Wisconsin and Penn State have won the Big 10, without making the playoffs or BCS game.
On the SEC side, the teams that LSU faced: Alabama- 5 national titles in 8 years, 9 playoff or BCS title game appearances in 11 years. Florida- 2 BCS titles. Auburn 1 BCS title, 2 appearances, 1 additional undefeated season.

Those SEC teams surpass anything the Big 10 has offered to oppose Ohio State, in that stretch.

Next SEC team on the list- Georgia, with a playoff appearance, playoff win and OT loss in the national title game; several Sugar Bowl appearances. UGA is the 4th best SEC team LSU's faced in that 2 decade stretch, and they're probably equal to the best Big 10 (Wisconsin or Penn State) opposition.

LSU was probably the best CFB program of the 2000's, by a few hairs over USC and Florida. Alabama is clearly the best of the 2010's, and given their overwhelming margin there is the best over the past 2 decades. LSU is probably #2 overall, Ohio State #3, Oklahoma #4.

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You started the thread asking for a debate. I have made points that create concrete evidence to show that OSU has been superior to LSU in 90% of categories. If all we care about is national titles then there is no point for 60 teams to even play game 1

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LSU plays in the tougher conference. It faces singularly harder opponents each season than Ohio State does. Even a Buckeye fan has to acknowledge that; LSU has played the eventual national champion 8 times in that stretch, as a regular conference game. They have played an undefeated team (Auburn, 2004) an additional year.
Alabama has made the Title game (not just the playoffs, but advanced in it) 2 further times.
Auburn made the BCS Championship and lost, an additional time.

Ohio State has NOT faced any conference opponent that has made the BCS final, nor have they faced a conference foe that made the playoffs and advanced.

Ohio State, simply, objectively, has had an easier schedule. MOST teams in CFB have. Don't give me "but we've played a lot of good teams", that's not relevant to the discussion... we're talking about playing ELITE teams. That effects overall W-L, and conference pecking order for bowls.

You know who else has been to a whole lot of Top Tier bowls in that stretch? Oklahoma. BCS appearances, Playoff appearances, tons of conference championships. Would you argue that Oklahoma has been better than either LSU or Ohio State for the past 2 decades?

LSU and its not even close

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why cause they went 15-0? There is 0 Fing chance that if anyone else in the playoff won you would be crowning them the best team in 20 years.

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Are you serious? It's not some homer opinion to say 2019 LSU is the best team since at least 2001 Miami.

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You started the thread asking for a debate. I have made points that create concrete evidence to show that OSU has been superior to LSU in 90% of categories. If all we care about is national titles then there is no point for 60 teams to even play game 1

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And I appreciate your gamesmanship. I wouldn't have even started the thread if LSU didn't have the title edge because it would have clearly been OSU. Not all of the categories are created equal.

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I mean if you take away 2019, how close is the argument? Just cut it off for both teams. The answer is not very close when they are tied 2/2 in national titles

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Too bad yall choked against Clemson. We could have just drug yall a second time in a title game.

I forgot how comical tOSU posters were all throughout last year with all the fancy BS stats to claim yall were better than us. Such a delusional fanbase. Glad to see COVID hasn't killed that