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re: KOC: League sources "expect" Pelicans to be aggressive in trade market
Posted on 5/2/24 at 11:45 am to teke184
Posted on 5/2/24 at 11:45 am to teke184
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Having Karlo and Robinson-Earl gives us at least some stopgap bigs on affordable contracts while we look to change our key guys.
JRE shouldn't be on an nba roster, at least not ours. He's not a big. He's barely even a PF at 6'8" 230. And he can't shoot.
Karlo cannot be relied to be anything for us until we actually see him play a real nba game.
Same crap happened back when we got the other Nico and just expected him to be the backup 4 going into the season and he wasnt' any good. And i warned everyone before that season that it was stupid we were going into the season without a legitimate backup 4 and we shoudln't be relying on a guy that has never played an nba minute from Europe.
when you look at our roster, those are two guys that you shoudln't even mention, same with Liddell. They are merely a minimum contract roster spot that doesn't play and can be filled by anyone.
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Posted on 5/2/24 at 11:54 am to 50_Tiger
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Thats easy. Look at the games he started and the G League.
Ima keep posting this until it happens or I get let down. The latter more probable.
Why not expand it and include the Knicks for the Mitchell component?
Pels:
Murray
Allen
Levert
Bufkin
Cavs:
BI
Randle
Picks from NYK
Hawks:
CJ
Picks from us
NYK:
Mitchell
Posted on 5/2/24 at 2:04 pm to GOP_Tiger
I believe it again reveals poor roster construction and scheme. The roster construction problem has been beaten to death, but an overlooked issue is the scheme. Pels scheme was to get the ball in Zion or BI's hands. They deemed it easier to just get the ball in their hands as an initiator or off elbow sets for Zion and BI respectively. The results were BI and Zion getting beat up throughout the year and compromised going into the playoffs.
There certainly are problems with BI,CJ, and Zion on the court together. The main problem is that we now know Zion is an attacking wing, not a traditional 4 as advertised. With Herb or Dyson added for defensive purposes, you essentially operate with 4 wings and a post as your primary lineup. Again, I'm not opposed to keeping Val or Nance as both can contribute situationally. However, neither fit schematically as a starter but Griff didn't give Coach Green other options. You pretty much nailed it with your assessment. Val slows the pace to a crawl and Nance is undersized.
Obviously there is a ground-swell to shake the etch-a-sketch and start over. I believe this would be short-sighted as the teams' identity is forming. I wouldn't advocate for re-arranging the deck chairs but your core (Zion, BI, TM3, Herb, Hawk and Dyson) are all well south of the 30-year age mark and still improving. CJ is a perfect sixth man, however, I'm not sure if he wants to accept that role and Hawk will definitely contend for those minutes as well. *I'd like add Jose to the list but believe he is situational due to his size.
Pels off-season todo list is to:
1. Acquire a more athletic big that can space vertically or horizontally
2. Acquire a primary ballhandler who is a threat above the arc
3. Scheme a more diverse offense
The first two efforts will greatly help the ability to do the third.
There certainly are problems with BI,CJ, and Zion on the court together. The main problem is that we now know Zion is an attacking wing, not a traditional 4 as advertised. With Herb or Dyson added for defensive purposes, you essentially operate with 4 wings and a post as your primary lineup. Again, I'm not opposed to keeping Val or Nance as both can contribute situationally. However, neither fit schematically as a starter but Griff didn't give Coach Green other options. You pretty much nailed it with your assessment. Val slows the pace to a crawl and Nance is undersized.
Obviously there is a ground-swell to shake the etch-a-sketch and start over. I believe this would be short-sighted as the teams' identity is forming. I wouldn't advocate for re-arranging the deck chairs but your core (Zion, BI, TM3, Herb, Hawk and Dyson) are all well south of the 30-year age mark and still improving. CJ is a perfect sixth man, however, I'm not sure if he wants to accept that role and Hawk will definitely contend for those minutes as well. *I'd like add Jose to the list but believe he is situational due to his size.
Pels off-season todo list is to:
1. Acquire a more athletic big that can space vertically or horizontally
2. Acquire a primary ballhandler who is a threat above the arc
3. Scheme a more diverse offense
The first two efforts will greatly help the ability to do the third.
Posted on 5/2/24 at 2:13 pm to Pistol44
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an overlooked issue is the scheme.
I wish I knew how much of the scheme issues were Zion being out of shape to start the year vs. the coaches being dumb. They should never stick Zion in the corner and just have him sit there. If he doesn't have the ball in his hands, he should be cutting across the lane just to warp the defense.
Posted on 5/2/24 at 2:35 pm to Pistol44
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Pels off-season todo list is to: 1. Acquire a more athletic big that can space vertically or horizontally
2. Acquire a primary ballhandler who is a threat above the arc
With a potential war chest of about $80m in salary (BI, CJ, Nance) and several picks over the next few years, what are your suggestions to pull that off?
A ball handler is easier to get than an athletic big unless we want to trade for Ayton and pay huge money for a guy who isn’t a star in this league. (He is capable of being good but this season with the Blazers pretty much destroyed his rep IMHO. He can be Robin but not Batman.)
Posted on 5/2/24 at 2:46 pm to teke184
quote:It may be easier to get but the big is much easier to incorporate into the team.
A ball handler is easier to get than an athletic big
Get a big, and they very easily slot into the 5, either starter or backup depending on quality.
The ball handler is much more tricky. Even if the dude is a better point guard and facilitator than CJ, losing CJ's shooting would be too much to overcome IMO. So if a more traditional PG is taking over for CJ, there needs to be a plan in place to not lose any volume shooting. We need to at the very least stand pat on 3pt attempts, we can't go down, that would essentially have us darn near dead last. We don't have efficient enough dudes to overcome that.
Posted on 5/2/24 at 2:52 pm to Balsamic_duck
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We can't just dump CJ, as much of a postseason choker as he is,
Is this your first year of watching the NBA? Or do you think that CJ is a rookie?
Posted on 5/2/24 at 2:59 pm to TeddyPadillac
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I know the defense wasn't great, but it sure as shite can't be much worse than CJ's.
NARRATOR: Hawk's defense was, in fact, much worse than CJ's.
Posted on 5/2/24 at 4:30 pm to TigerinATL
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If he doesn't have the ball in his hands, he should be cutting across the lane just to warp the defense
Pels parked Zion and BI in the corner when the other was initiating the offense due to spacing concerns. The problem is that neither are a threat above the arc and don't have the requisite handle to operate in congested space. Additionally, they both are reluctant screeners in two-man action, and that really has to change.
Posted on 5/2/24 at 4:39 pm to Pistol44
What's wild is that given his size, physicality, & athleticism Zion should be arguably the best combo of screen setter and roll man/finisher off of rolls in the entire NBA
And yet somehow Zion is awful at setting screens and equally shitty as a roll man.
That is simply attention to detail, effort, and doing the little things.
And yet somehow Zion is awful at setting screens and equally shitty as a roll man.
That is simply attention to detail, effort, and doing the little things.
Posted on 5/2/24 at 4:54 pm to teke184
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what are your suggestions to pull that off?
Pels don't need an all-star point or post player, just players that fit the scheme better. You want to keep your own picks but everything else should be on the table (Lakers, Bucks picks; salary match of non-core players). Ideally for a Connelly/Gafford type combination. An ideal offseason for me would be:
1. Resign BI and TM3 for a little less than max (40/25)
2. Get CJ's buy-in with a narrower role
3. TM3/Dyson add 10lbs and become your 4s
4. Resign Val at Nance's salary or let Val walk
5. Consolidate the remaining salaries for S&T / FA bid for a solid primary ballhandler (DLo) and athletic big (Isaac)
This post was edited on 5/2/24 at 5:02 pm
Posted on 5/2/24 at 5:01 pm to Macintosh504
quote:
giddey
He's intiguing as a combo guard, sometimes facilitator
Posted on 5/2/24 at 5:01 pm to shel311
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That is simply attention to detail, effort, and doing the little things
This is a problem with a lot of supremely talented players in the US (not just Zion or BI). We encourage work on their individual games, but team game, not so much.
This post was edited on 5/2/24 at 5:03 pm
Posted on 5/2/24 at 5:59 pm to 50_Tiger
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Ima keep posting this until it happens or I get let down. The latter more probable.
Pels should not be sending picks to Atlanta in this deal, it should 100% be Cleveland sending picks.
Cleveland gets the best player in the deal, and gives up the third best and a salary throw in.
Unless they’re sending us Mobley they have to add picks to Atlanta
Posted on 5/2/24 at 6:03 pm to Soggymoss
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Cleveland gets the best player in the deal, and gives up the third best and a salary throw in.
I think you're grossly overrating Ingram at this point.
I think Allen and maybe even Murray have surpassed him.
Posted on 5/2/24 at 6:04 pm to ghost2most
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I think Allen and maybe even Murray have surpassed him.
This asinine statement shows you have recency bias and know absolutely nothing about Ingram’s value
Posted on 5/2/24 at 6:28 pm to Soggymoss
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This asinine statement shows you have recency bias and know absolutely nothing about Ingram’s value
What GM wants an oft-injured, ball-stopping, playoff flop, who shoots the lowest percentage shot in the game and is a below average defender?
I really don't think Ingram is as valued as this board does.
Posted on 5/2/24 at 6:34 pm to ghost2most
We have some really dumb fans. They deserve a lifetime of Julian Wright and Derrick Favors.
Posted on 5/2/24 at 7:42 pm to Jester
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We have some really dumb fans
Yeah like the ones that think Jarret Allen has more value than BI….
Posted on 5/2/24 at 7:49 pm to ghost2most
quote:A GM wanted Bradley Beal over Chris Paul.
What GM wants an oft-injured, ball-stopping, playoff flop, who shoots the lowest percentage shot in the game and is a below average defender?
It's silly to think no GM would want BI.
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