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re: KOC: League sources "expect" Pelicans to be aggressive in trade market

Posted on 5/2/24 at 8:06 pm to
Posted by ghost2most
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 5/2/24 at 8:06 pm to
At his price tag? I think Murray and Allen have more value
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 5/2/24 at 8:09 pm to
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At his price tag? I think Murray and Allen have more value
Who has more value between the 3 is a vastly different take that basically stating no GM would want BI.
Posted by ghost2most
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 5/2/24 at 8:46 pm to
I think a $50 million BI will be a negative asset.
Posted by whatiknowsofar
hm?
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 5/2/24 at 10:56 pm to
So is embiid cheaper now or.....
Posted by duyp
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 5/2/24 at 11:14 pm to
Philly has enough space to sign anyone.
Posted by DLBalla
Member since Jul 2018
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Posted on 5/3/24 at 6:10 am to
Seems like 76ers are putting their hopes on Paul George or Lebby J choosing to sign and play in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania over Los Angeles. And assuming Siakam stays with Pacers... they may be left scrambling to fill that cap space with role players or trading for an overpriced damaged star: Lavine, Beal, etc.
This post was edited on 5/3/24 at 6:10 am
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 5/3/24 at 7:24 am to
I believe the biggest take away from the playoffs so far is that the bench does not really matter that much. A team needs a strong starting 5, with maybe a solid 6th man.

We have been so focused on building depth and stockpiling talent, that we allow our starting unit to be mid at best. We need to improve the overall group and put the best starting unit out every game. I hope that becomes the goal. It just seems to be the best path to success right now..
Posted by ghost2most
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 5/3/24 at 7:44 am to
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I believe the biggest take away from the playoffs so far is that the bench does not really matter that much. A team needs a strong starting 5, with maybe a solid 6th man.



Mac has been saying this forever.

The NBA and NFL have one thing in common. You win in the playoffs with a top 10 player/QB.

Don't have one, you don't have a chance.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25866 posts
Posted on 5/3/24 at 8:06 am to
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Philly has enough space to sign anyone.




Not really.

They have $51M with Embiid, $7M non guaranteed for Paul Reed and Maxey's $13M cap hold. That's $71M and 9 roster spots that need to be filled with minimum contracts , so about $20M more, so that has them at $91M in salary with a $141M cap.

That's $50M in space, but there's no Tobias, no Batum, no Covington, no Melton, no Buddy. I mention those 5 b/c all of them have cap holds higher than what they would sign for, which means if you want to keep them, you have to actually sign them to their new contract so that their $15-28M cap hold doesn't go into affect. Tobias cap hold is $46M, but i have a feeling they'll look to move him this offseason.
If they were to S&T Tobias, then that salary goes against their cap. The only way for it not to is if they just let him walk for nothing.

So while they have $50M in cap space, it requires them to let Tobias, Batum, Covington, Melton and Buddy to all walk for nothing.
Yes they can go after whoever they want, but it's going to have to be in a S&T more than likely with Tobias going out.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 5/3/24 at 8:13 am to
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I believe the biggest take away from the playoffs so far is that the bench does not really matter that much. A team needs a strong starting 5, with maybe a solid 6th man.

The has pretty much always been the case. Solid bench depth is for the regular season, when it comes down to the playoffs, you can get away with playing 7 or 8 players. 1 backup big, 1 backup wing, 1 backup guard and you are good.
Posted by Balsamic_duck
Member since Jun 2017
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Posted on 5/3/24 at 8:16 am to
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I believe the biggest take away from the playoffs so far is that the bench does not really matter that much. A team needs a strong starting 5, with maybe a solid 6th man.


Mac has been saying this forever.

The NBA and NFL have one thing in common. You win in the playoffs with a top 10 player/QB.

Don't have one, you don't have a chance.


Yep, depth is nice and all for the regular season but the playoffs is about stars. We might have a top 20 player in zion but the reality is he needs to be a top 10 player if we want to do anything meaningful
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61595 posts
Posted on 5/3/24 at 8:31 am to
I haven't seen this clip yet, but MM just posted this:

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Windy on ESPN implying that BI could be a Plan B or C for Philly. Essentially, giving the Pels a TPE, flexibility, and draft picks

Would something like Paul Reed, a $28 million TPE, and far out picks from both Philly and the Clippers interest you?


Did anyone else see it? I'll be interested to see the clip for more context to see how available Windhorst thinks BI is.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25866 posts
Posted on 5/3/24 at 8:45 am to
with how slow Embiid is, BI is the perfect compliment to him.

Just give me back Tobias Harris in a S&T.
I'm not losing BI for draft picks and a TPE. That's silly. I could care less about more draft picks. We should be using draft picks, not aquiring more of them. You got the next 3 years to prove to Zion we can compete for a championship or he'll be requesting a trade.


Paul George is not leaving LA. That's just my opinion. It's where he's from, and it's where he wants to be.


and we can offer a much better package to the Clippers for Paul George than the Sixers can.
Posted by SaintEB
Member since Jul 2008
22796 posts
Posted on 5/3/24 at 9:03 am to
I'd be interested to see if Atlanta was interest in working around Dejounte Murray for BI with some sort of package around DM and BI being centerpiece. I also would dangle CJ out there to see what could be had.

Murray and Herb would make for an interesting backcourt.

Start Trey at 3, Zion at the 4.

Swing for Jarrett Allen in Cleveland for JV? Why would Cavs do that. I have no idea.

I truly believe that the only way to unlock Trey's potential is to get off of BI somehow. Coming off the bench for BI is hurting Trey's growth. Look at that happed to Tyrese Maxey when Harden was traded. Dude exploded.

In all honesty, I have no idea what i'm talking about. I'm just spit-balling.
This post was edited on 5/3/24 at 9:06 am
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
9834 posts
Posted on 5/3/24 at 9:05 am to
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Just give me back Tobias Harris in a S&T.


God no. That dude is poo. I wouldn't want to give him any kind of new deal.

If we are dealing with the Sixers, I want Maxey. We can throw them a massive package, plus Ingram. I'm sure they won't go for it. But that's the kind of big game hunting we should be doing..
Posted by SaintEB
Member since Jul 2008
22796 posts
Posted on 5/3/24 at 9:06 am to
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If we are dealing with the Sixers, I want Maxey.



Lol.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25866 posts
Posted on 5/3/24 at 9:10 am to
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If we are dealing with the Sixers, I want Maxey. We can throw them a massive package, plus Ingram. I'm sure they won't go for it. But that's the kind of big game hunting we should be doing..




Yeah ok. That isn't realistic.
YOu can want to big game hunt, but Maxey isn't available no matter what you throw at them.

Harris is an excellent defender and rebounder, and he can hit an open 3.
I"m not asking to break the bank with him, but if he was your backup 4 coming off the bench and small ball 5, i'd be very happy with that.
If he's poo, then the Sixers would still be giving us a picks if we gave them BI. I"m not giving up BI for just picks.
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
9834 posts
Posted on 5/3/24 at 9:29 am to
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Harris is an excellent defender and rebounder, and he can hit an open 3.


He had 0 points last night in 29 minutes in a close out game. He let a 6'5 guard pull down 14 rebounds while he had 4. He's done. You can find a 2nd rounder on a minimum that can give you more than him. He can't be the centerpiece in a deal for Ingram.

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I"m not giving up BI for just picks


I can agree with this. We need to do something with the salary slot. But we need a 2nd star next to Zion. That needs to be a great lead guard or dynamic big. We should be targeting 10-12 guys, if we are truly going for it..
Posted by Balsamic_duck
Member since Jun 2017
3204 posts
Posted on 5/3/24 at 9:51 am to
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Harris is an excellent defender and rebounder, and he can hit an open 3.
I"m not asking to break the bank with him, but if he was your backup 4 coming off the bench and small ball 5, i'd be very happy with that.
If he's poo, then the Sixers would still be giving us a picks if we gave them BI. I"m not giving up BI for just picks.


I'd rather Paul Reed than Tobias.
Posted by supe12sta12z
Tiger Town
Member since Apr 2012
10491 posts
Posted on 5/3/24 at 9:56 am to
Harris is 31 and is a free agent.
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