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re: Kari lake underperforming trump by 11 points in new Arizona poll just out
Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:26 pm to Y.A. Tittle
Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:26 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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I'm just trying to figure out if this turns on its ear the idea that these unsuccessful GOP congressional/senate elections are a referendum on Trump
It's a referendum on MAGA.
The question is where Trump ends and MAGA begins. As with most thing within the Patriot demographic, they won't commit to a single answer.
Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:26 pm to Lou Pai
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In part, yes, she is Trump's fault
Is there any percentage you would assign to the Arizona GOP in general, or nah?
Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:27 pm to FLTech
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I hope Arizona gets millions of illegals and they ruin their entire state
Making it even more difficult for a republican to win.
Dumb, but expected.
Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:28 pm to BuckyCheese
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Who did he endorse?
Is that why she's unpopular?
Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The question is where Trump ends and MAGA begins. As with most thing within the Patriot demographic, they won't commit to a single answer.
Yeah, I have no idea what this possibly means.
Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:30 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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Is that why she's unpopular?
It's why she is in the race instead of someone that could win.
Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:33 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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Yeah, I have no idea what this possibly means.
Patriots will often say a version of "The movement is bigger than Trump" on the one hand. That movement is "MAGA".
Kari Lake = MAGA, not Trump.
However, Patriots will also say that "Trump is the movement" when it suits them. It moves "MAGA" or "America First" into the same nebulous status as other malleable rhetoric devices they use like "globalism".
Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:35 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Maricopa is going to take care of Trump and Lake.
Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Patriots will often say a version of "The movement is bigger than Trump" on the one hand. That movement is "MAGA".
Kari Lake = MAGA, not Trump.
However, Patriots will also say that "Trump is the movement" when it suits them. It moves "MAGA" or "America First" into the same nebulous status as other malleable rhetoric devices they use like "globalism".
Right. So, it's like the flip side of saying that EVERY unsuccessful candidate who one might somehow "tie" to Trump, is TRUMP'S FAULT. As if the GOP never lost elections until he came along.
Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:37 pm to Sofaking2
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Maricopa is going to take care of Trump and Lake.
Trump will win ARZ. Lake will not.
Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:38 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
she'll never win anything, it's sad.
Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:40 pm to BuckyCheese
Republicans aren’t the ones allowing 10+ million people into the country. So, if you are a democrat and don’t like the invasion of illegals and you don’t vote for a Republican then You are a fricking idiot
This post was edited on 4/2/24 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:41 pm to BuckyCheese
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Winning primaries don't mean shite. Maybe someday you will understand that.
You suck at mind reading
Either change the system or find a better candidate.
Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:41 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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Right. So, it's like the flip side of saying that EVERY unsuccessful candidate who one might somehow "tie" to Trump, is TRUMP'S FAULT
I am saying it's not "Trump's" fault, but it is MAGA's fault.
I believe MAGA is more than just Trump, especially after the 2022 election Ls and what happened to RDS in the primary season.
To me, this is more of a warning for a post-Trump reality for MAGA. People do not like non-Trump MAGA candidates at anywhere near the same rate they like/tolerate Trump.
Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:44 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
I would vote for her in a heartbeat, but she just doesn’t seem to garner that much support. I hope she can turn it around.
Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
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To me, this is more of a warning for a post-Trump reality for MAGA. People do not like non-Trump MAGA candidates at anywhere near the same rate they like/tolerate Trump.
Is there really a big enough sample size of these to make such a blanket determination?
I'm not even quite clear as to who we are describing as a "MAGA candidate," but I don't deny that Lake strikes me as someone who seems to have glommed onto him.
Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:47 pm to tigersbh
Lake is not MAGA...I am not sure what that point is about. I'm fairly certain she voted for Hillary.
Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:47 pm to SlowFlowPro
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People do not like non-Trump MAGA candidates at anywhere near the same rate they like/tolerate Trump.
This is an inconvenient truth that many have not or may not ever accept.
Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:47 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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Is there really a big enough sample size of these to make such a blanket determination?
We've had 3 major election cycles (2018, 2020, 2022) as well as off-year election cycles (2021 in particular) since Trump won in 2016.
Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
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People do not like non-Trump MAGA candidates at anywhere near the same rate they like/tolerate Trump.
Do you think the reason is that deep down people believe that Trump is kidding a bit and being playful but others in the MAGA realm are dead serious?
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