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re: Fallout **SPOILER** Discussion Thread
Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:24 am to Zzyzx
Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:24 am to Zzyzx
Based on all the bloody messages smeared on the walls like "We know the truth," they figured out the truth about the purpose of their vault and revolted.
What resulted were a breakdown of the society with people killing each other and themselves.
What resulted were a breakdown of the society with people killing each other and themselves.
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Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:25 am to sicboy
But that wouldn’t explain all the writing on the wall in blood that said “we know the truth” etc.
The truth about what?
There were perilous things written in blood on the wall, like warnings. I don’t think that would stem from the crops dying out and they kill themselves to preserve the integrity of the vault mission. It would seem they figured something out that I’m not sure was resolved
The truth about what?
There were perilous things written in blood on the wall, like warnings. I don’t think that would stem from the crops dying out and they kill themselves to preserve the integrity of the vault mission. It would seem they figured something out that I’m not sure was resolved
Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:30 am to Zzyzx
They were told the surface was unlivable, so live down here and be happy until it is.
The purpose of the vault was a breeding program for the Vault-tec long game of super managers to wait out the end of humanity on the surface then come out and restart a Vault-tec run civilization.
They figured out either a) the surface was livable, b) the breeding program scheme, or c) both and their society broke down.
The purpose of the vault was a breeding program for the Vault-tec long game of super managers to wait out the end of humanity on the surface then come out and restart a Vault-tec run civilization.
They figured out either a) the surface was livable, b) the breeding program scheme, or c) both and their society broke down.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:30 am to sicboy
So are Maximus and the Elder going to break off from the Brotherhood and start Caesar’s Legion? Would make sense with the names, etc.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:40 am to minimal
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They figured out either a) the surface was livable, b) the breeding program scheme, or c) both and their society broke down.
I would guess either B or C, considering they were trying to cut their way into Vault 31.
I also believe that they had some kind of failsafe that got initiated (possibly something into the air) that caused them all to go mad and kill themselves; otherwise they would have likely gone to Vault 33 and told them what was happening.
Hell, having two vaults for seeing makes it possible that it's happened before.
This post was edited on 4/17/24 at 9:41 am
Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:46 am to skrayper
I got the feeling through the later episodes that there was some population control at play in 32. Can't remember how I picked that up or if it was just my own theory. But I guess that doesn't really make sense because if you were from 31 and you knew the game was rigged why would you ever agree to be overseer of 32.
This post was edited on 4/17/24 at 9:49 am
Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:51 am to Zzyzx
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But that wouldn’t explain all the writing on the wall in blood that said “we know the truth” etc.
The truth about what?
Maybe they found out about 31 and Bud intentionally killed their food supply to keep them quiet.
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they kill themselves to preserve the integrity of the vault mission
I wasn't suggesting they would do that to preserve the mission, but communication between vaults was restricted for that reason.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:53 am to lostinbr
quote:but what about all the writing on the wall. "We know whos in there" or what ever it was?
It looked like a lot of them killed themselves. Like the one body sitting in a chair holding a fork stuck into a toaster.
I kind of agree that the reaction didn’t really make sense unless there was something else going on.
ETA: The point above about starvation (or maybe even trying to avoid cannibalism) makes sense.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:55 am to msap9020
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I got the feeling through the later episodes that there was some population control at play in 32. Can't remember how I picked that up or if it was just my own theory. But I guess that doesn't really make sense because if you were from 31 and you knew the game was rigged why would you ever agree to be overseer of 32.
I think the idea originally was to have the two vaults work towards generating different resources, and then add some additions to the breeding pool through these marriage swaps. I don't think 32 was SUPPOSED to fail; something happened, the residents figured it out, killed the overseer (or at least had him tied up) and then while trying to cut into Vault 31 Bud initiated a fail safe that caused everyone there to kill themselves.
Psychotropic drugs were already in use at other vaults and could have been the reason for this.
I'd also speculate that V31-33 aren't "experiment" vaults in the same context of the others - they want the vaults to succeed, so they'd fall into the category of "Control Vaults" that were actually meant to help repopulate the US (just, you know, with one HUGE asterisk).
Not like the vaults were people were experimented on, cloned, gassed, driven mad, etc.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:57 am to skrayper
Anything is possible, but I'm guessing it was a bit simpler.
Keeping with the theme of the games and series, imagine that once they found out people were living on the surface (hypothetically) because moldaver's faction came knocking) half of the people said "lets stay down here and be safe" and half said "frick it, i'm out."
Each had their own idea about how to save the world, and it inevitably ended in chaos, fighting, and death. Its a microcosm for the surface/human nature.
Keeping with the theme of the games and series, imagine that once they found out people were living on the surface (hypothetically) because moldaver's faction came knocking) half of the people said "lets stay down here and be safe" and half said "frick it, i'm out."
Each had their own idea about how to save the world, and it inevitably ended in chaos, fighting, and death. Its a microcosm for the surface/human nature.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:59 am to UnluckyTiger
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So are Maximus and the Elder going to break off from the Brotherhood and start Caesar’s Legion? Would make sense with the names, etc.
I think the Elder in saying "build with me", is trying to cement Maximus in the Brotherhood's ideals because he can tell he's still lost.
Caesar's legion was likely already wiped out if Season 2's New Vegas is run by the NCR, Mr. House, or independent because of the Courier.
This post was edited on 4/17/24 at 10:01 am
Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:59 am to skrayper
Explanation from Screenrant:
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Perhaps the crops dying was more of a result of no one taking care of it.
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When Norm and Chet explored Vault 32 in Fallout episode 4, they discovered skeletons that proved its dwellers died two years before Moldaver and her raiders ever broke in. Along with evidence of starvation, infighting, suicide, and cannibalism, writings on the wall provided further explanation for the devolution of Vault 32. Written on the wall in blood were the phrases, “WE KNOW THE TRUTH” and “DEATH TO MANAGEMENT.” Though Norm and Chet didn’t initially understand the meaning behind the messages, Norm and viewers now know the Vault 32 dwellers had discovered the truth about Vault-Tec, leading to the mass murder-suicide.
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Perhaps the crops dying was more of a result of no one taking care of it.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:52 am to sicboy
That still seems a bit far fetched for me tbh. Is finding out that Vault 31 houses cryogenic “leaders” that big of a deal? How is that any different than like England having “divine right” of kings and queens. Both are stupid. But would they start killing one another over it? What’s the point of committing suicide or your friends and family over finding out your overseer came from a cryogenic chamber in 31.
As we saw, Vault life was far superior to surface life. To the point where Lucy and Maximus were going to move back to one together. They only don’t because she finds out her dad and Vault Tec nuked their own country. I can understand being pissed about not knowing the truth and having the option to go to the surface. But the surface is a fricking hell hole, and super dangerous. I think a vast majority of people would still rather live in the vault given the choice.
So I still don’t quite understand why it was worth killing everyone in their vault. The theory above about some sort of psychoactive gas released would explain that behavior, but that wasn’t alluded to or explained at all in the show.
Straying further from the point of narrative drama here, but honestly I don’t see the problem in “31” telling all the vault dwellers the truth (minus the part where vault tec nuked their own country). There’s life on the surface, but it is a hell hole. You can choose to go up there or stay here. Hell even if I knew vault tec nuked their own country I’d still live in the vaults, the surface life is miserable.
Edit addition:
I realize the irony that many people killed one another over divine right in England, but I don’t think that equates here in a like-for-like comparison. That was for power grabs and for the future control, etc. and the scenes in Vault 32 don’t correlate to that. Sticking a fork in a toaster etc. I don’t think they were killing one another to have power of control
As we saw, Vault life was far superior to surface life. To the point where Lucy and Maximus were going to move back to one together. They only don’t because she finds out her dad and Vault Tec nuked their own country. I can understand being pissed about not knowing the truth and having the option to go to the surface. But the surface is a fricking hell hole, and super dangerous. I think a vast majority of people would still rather live in the vault given the choice.
So I still don’t quite understand why it was worth killing everyone in their vault. The theory above about some sort of psychoactive gas released would explain that behavior, but that wasn’t alluded to or explained at all in the show.
Straying further from the point of narrative drama here, but honestly I don’t see the problem in “31” telling all the vault dwellers the truth (minus the part where vault tec nuked their own country). There’s life on the surface, but it is a hell hole. You can choose to go up there or stay here. Hell even if I knew vault tec nuked their own country I’d still live in the vaults, the surface life is miserable.
Edit addition:
I realize the irony that many people killed one another over divine right in England, but I don’t think that equates here in a like-for-like comparison. That was for power grabs and for the future control, etc. and the scenes in Vault 32 don’t correlate to that. Sticking a fork in a toaster etc. I don’t think they were killing one another to have power of control
This post was edited on 4/17/24 at 10:56 am
Posted on 4/17/24 at 11:03 am to sicboy
Great series. Loved it.
But I didn’t need the gratuitous sexual stuff, like seeing the main character ride her arranged husband or the cult that started dropping their tops during a group chant. I can deal with it. It was only 2 moments. But it was a little insulting to my demographic AND testosterone level.
That’s not the game. The game implies stuff like Fisto going to town on you (when you consent). And whores in New Vegas that are more like the “Me so hawny” chick from Full Metal Jacket.
It seemed like the producers were unnecessarily trying to cater to teenage boys, and that was a distraction- almost a turnoff because it was a bit over the top. It made me feel immature while watching a great series based on a video game - so I was conflicted. During the cult chant scene, the producers teased that the main character would unzip her top and let us gaze upon a set of magnificent tits, much like when Amazon had Mrs Maisel do the same during a comedy set. But there’s a part of me that respected the game. Maybe they tease now and deliver later. Maybe that’s a modern take on growing sexual tension.
But that doesn’t impress me. I want to see the art elevated. I don’t want to feel pandered to. I can see tits anytime. Stick to the art Amazon.
But with the next season teasing New Vegas… more tits are in our future, and I’m still conflicted. Leave the tits. Stick to the game. Teenage me would smack the current me in the head for saying that - but these aren’t the 80s anymore. We can see tits any time. I want more compelling content like this series does when they aren’t teasing teenage boys.
But I didn’t need the gratuitous sexual stuff, like seeing the main character ride her arranged husband or the cult that started dropping their tops during a group chant. I can deal with it. It was only 2 moments. But it was a little insulting to my demographic AND testosterone level.
That’s not the game. The game implies stuff like Fisto going to town on you (when you consent). And whores in New Vegas that are more like the “Me so hawny” chick from Full Metal Jacket.
It seemed like the producers were unnecessarily trying to cater to teenage boys, and that was a distraction- almost a turnoff because it was a bit over the top. It made me feel immature while watching a great series based on a video game - so I was conflicted. During the cult chant scene, the producers teased that the main character would unzip her top and let us gaze upon a set of magnificent tits, much like when Amazon had Mrs Maisel do the same during a comedy set. But there’s a part of me that respected the game. Maybe they tease now and deliver later. Maybe that’s a modern take on growing sexual tension.
But that doesn’t impress me. I want to see the art elevated. I don’t want to feel pandered to. I can see tits anytime. Stick to the art Amazon.
But with the next season teasing New Vegas… more tits are in our future, and I’m still conflicted. Leave the tits. Stick to the game. Teenage me would smack the current me in the head for saying that - but these aren’t the 80s anymore. We can see tits any time. I want more compelling content like this series does when they aren’t teasing teenage boys.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 11:41 am to Willie Stroker
For someone who didn’t like the sex scene you sure do talk about tits a lot.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 11:42 am to Zzyzx
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But that wouldn’t explain all the writing on the wall in blood that said “we know the truth” etc.
The VT war room flashback with Cooper's wife and all of the heads of the various competitors seemed to indicate that every vault had its own "mission". Even the Overseer of #4 indicated to Lucy as much. 4's was run by scientists and their genetic crossbreeding experiments gave us stuff like the Gulpers.
Clearly we know what 31's mission was. 33's is yet unclear.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 11:45 am to Zzyzx
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Is finding out that Vault 31 houses cryogenic “leaders” that big of a deal? How is that any different than like England having “divine right” of kings and queens.
What if I told you that until 2016, your own "elected" leaders right here in the good ol' US of A were all coming from our own version of Vault 31?
Posted on 4/17/24 at 11:46 am to Willie Stroker
One thing I still don’t quite get is the opening attack by Moldaver. Did she hire raiders almost like mercenaries, or were those NCR soldiers? Because they definitely act like raiders, but when you figure out her true identity it makes me wonder who it was that was working with her. And if it was NCR soldiers they damn sure didn’t act like it, sure they’re some bad apples in the NCR but most aren’t bloodthirsty lunatics and they straight up murder a lot of innocent vault dwellers to get one a-hole who is also already taking advantage of said vault dwellers. Hell Moldaver executed a shite ton of people for no reason at all and was close to murdering Lucy. I just don’t get that opening scene after finding out Moldavers back story.
Not to mention Moldaver basically condones rape on the part of the guy who is sent in to be Lucy’s pretend husband and bed her.
Not to mention Moldaver basically condones rape on the part of the guy who is sent in to be Lucy’s pretend husband and bed her.
This post was edited on 4/17/24 at 11:59 am
Posted on 4/17/24 at 11:48 am to Willie Stroker
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But I didn’t need the gratuitous sexual stuff, like seeing the main character ride her arranged husband or the cult that started dropping their tops during a group chant. I can deal with it. It was only 2 moments. But it was a little insulting to my demographic AND testosterone level.
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I want to see the art elevated. I don’t want to feel pandered to. I can see tits anytime. Stick to the art Amazon.
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Willie Stroker
Posted on 4/17/24 at 11:57 am to Willie Stroker
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like seeing the main character ride her arranged husband
I mean there wasn't even nudity was there? The scene lasted 2 seconds and then they were trying to kill each other. It was almost a comedic scene.
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But it was a little insulting to my demographic AND testosterone level.
What
This is an odd take. 
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