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re: Those of u who carry: Good info I received from my 2A attorney, approaching the election
Posted on 10/27/20 at 12:32 pm to SOKAL
Posted on 10/27/20 at 12:32 pm to SOKAL
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Do you tell dispatch, "please tell officers that my firearm is secured in my holster and I will turn it over when they arrive?"
Completely dependent on the situation. Holstering it isn't something I'd do if I still thought a threat existed.
Looking at the situation with the Keltner shooting gives me hope that I wouldn't be shot, so long as I wasn't aggressive with law enforcement.
Of course, if there's no threat, holstering your weapon is the right answer.
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Posted on 10/27/20 at 12:36 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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In that case, you were always going to be charged. That DA thinks you should've dove through your sliding glass door to get away, and probably have left your family behind while you were at it.
You have to assume that you will be charged regardless. That's the purpose of not saying anything until your lawyer is present and carrying insurance.
Posted on 10/27/20 at 12:38 pm to GeauxTrain
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You have to assume that you will be charged regardless. That's the purpose of not saying anything until your lawyer is present and carrying insurance.
Sure, but the point was that calling 911 isn't any more likely to get you charged.
Posted on 10/27/20 at 12:39 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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I don't really care what conclusions you come to about me. I'm hoping you're intelligent enough not to leave a crime scene after you've shot someone and that you won't actually shoot a police officer for disarming you, which will happen one way or another. quote:That you believe in the infallibility of government control, and that there should be no resistance. Pretty frickin weak. It isn't about government control. It's about knowing how these situations go. I can't exactly defend my Second Amendment rights and my family if I'm shot dead so I can keep my Glock. I'll turn it over, which is insanely common, and grab another from the safe. Being ignorant to reality is a weakness, whether you're blind to that or not. quote:You can't even think outside of the box in a hypothetical situation, without getting your panties wadded up. Get fricking help, you are under the thumb. Give me a fricking break dude. You're throwing a tantrum because you're tough guy bullshite got called out. Be a man, and admit you said something stupid. You deserved to be called out repeatedly for what you said, and that's exactly what happened.
That's a whole lot of dumb shite that you posted there, just to say "It's 1984 forever and I love it, because they give me a fricking check, and I have a new fridge with the latest icemaker, whatever they say that we have to do is fine, everybody needs to be covered and aligned and marching in step, that's the only way we can be free!". You don't know how anything goes, except for what somebody told you, when they dangle your pay in front of you.
Posted on 10/27/20 at 12:41 pm to GeauxTrain
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An ambulance will take you to the hospital in a shooting incident and you are the shooter. I looked into it.
Twenty-one years as a first responder and I've never seen a shooter transported because his attorney wanted good optics. I have seen some uninjured shooters transported while in custody upon police request.
Posted on 10/27/20 at 12:42 pm to auggie
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That's a whole lot of dumb shite that you posted there, just to say "It's 1984 forever and I love it, because they give me a fricking check, and I have a new fridge with the latest icemaker, whatever they say that we have to do is fine, everybody needs to be covered and aligned and marching in step, that's the only way we can be free!". You don't know how anything goes, except for what somebody told you, when they dangle your pay in front of you.
There we go.
I'm not sure why you were pretending to be reasonable in the first place, but I'm glad you finally put that out there.
You live in a fantasy of how these situations go. You've never shot someone, and hopefully never will, so you get to stay in this fantasy and pretend that a police officer doing their job is trying to suppress your rights.
You're too shortsighted to see that you give those rights up in many other instances.
But sure, you should be allowed to maintain a loaded firearm while the responding officers figure out what happened, because 1984 or some other bullshite.
Posted on 10/27/20 at 12:49 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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There we go. I'm not sure why you were pretending to be reasonable in the first place, but I'm glad you finally put that out there. You live in a fantasy of how these situations go. You've never shot someone, and hopefully never will, so you get to stay in this fantasy and pretend that a police officer doing their job is trying to suppress your rights. You're too shortsighted to see that you give those rights up in many other instances. But sure, you should be allowed to maintain a loaded firearm while the responding officers figure out what happened, because 1984 or some other bullshite.
It's just like we already established. You have an imaginary situation in your mind. Would you like to say who would stop me from going home? Funny, starting to think you are a girl.
Posted on 10/27/20 at 12:54 pm to RetiredSaintsLsuFan
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Who keeps an attorney on standby?
Few people.
Hence the links provided on page 1 of this thread—to assist you in that exact situation.
Posted on 10/27/20 at 12:56 pm to auggie
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It's just like we already established. You have an imaginary situation in your mind. Would you like to say who would stop me from going home? Funny, starting to think you are a girl.
I don't have any situation in my mind. That was all you. You said that if someone tries disarming you, you'll shoot them.
Again, all you.
Posted on 10/27/20 at 12:56 pm to EKG
Hey you (EKG)- off the beaten path but there’s a thread on the rant you should read because you’re awesome. Probably on page two by now. I figure you’ll know which one by the subject 
This post was edited on 10/27/20 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 10/27/20 at 12:57 pm to blueboy
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How much is the fee?
I received a discount code from my concealed carry instructor, which locked me in to $10/month.
$20 upon joining.
Posted on 10/27/20 at 12:58 pm to auggie
I can 100% guarantee you will be disarmed when the police show up.
Wether you’re dead or alive when that happens is up to you. That gun is coming out of your hand. If you fail to surrender your weapon, albeit temporarily, for the officers safety, and survive. You will never legally own a firearm again. Even in heavy 2a states, you can’t confront law enforcement.
That I can guarantee That 100% as well.
Just surrender your weapon, when told to by law enforcement, and keep your big fricking mouth shut.
Wether you’re dead or alive when that happens is up to you. That gun is coming out of your hand. If you fail to surrender your weapon, albeit temporarily, for the officers safety, and survive. You will never legally own a firearm again. Even in heavy 2a states, you can’t confront law enforcement.
That I can guarantee That 100% as well.
Just surrender your weapon, when told to by law enforcement, and keep your big fricking mouth shut.
Posted on 10/27/20 at 1:01 pm to piggilicious
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Hey you (EKG)- off the beaten path but there’s a thread on the rant you should read because you’re awesome. Probably on page two by now. I figure you’ll know which one by the subject
My sweet friend, you’re going to make me wade into that cesspool?
My HazMat suit is in the cleaners.
I’ll go look.
BTW... if we don’t chat before this weekend’s game, good luck to the Hogs!
And congratulations on an amazing season!
Genuinely happy for y’all.
Posted on 10/27/20 at 1:03 pm to auggie
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That you believe in the infallibility of government control, and that there should be no resistance. Pretty frickin weak. You can't even think outside of the box in a hypothetical situation, without getting your panties wadded up. Get fricking help, you are under the thumb
As you believe in your infallibility when confronted by law enforcement. Risk management extends well past the initial event. Risk only approaches zero when you are tucked safely in your bed. The same goes for law enforcement.
I have had run with displacedbuckeye over politics but I will defer to him on this topic, even though he is a Marine (Go Army). He knows his shite. I believe he has been in situations that have tempered his metal so to speak.
Posted on 10/27/20 at 1:04 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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I don't have any situation in my mind. That was all you. You said that if someone tries disarming you, you'll shoot them. Again, all you.
No sweetpea, you started coming up with all of that crap, in reply to my short statement of maybe 7 words. I said what I would do, and you wanted to make an argument about it, while still not being able to answer, "Who would stop me?". Now, maybe you should imagine the answer to that.
Posted on 10/27/20 at 1:16 pm to IslandBuckeye
Believe whatever you want. Personally, I am not willing to accept that we must always lose to government control, just because it seems to be the popular opinion. Starting to seem very similar to oppression polls to me.
I'll add this, of all the people that I know about, that killed somebody in The U.S., the ones who came out best, were the ones who got the hell out of dodge. Yall go ahead though, and be model citizens in that situation.
I'll add this, of all the people that I know about, that killed somebody in The U.S., the ones who came out best, were the ones who got the hell out of dodge. Yall go ahead though, and be model citizens in that situation.
Posted on 10/27/20 at 1:20 pm to auggie
Not one person will blame the police for disarming you by force then. There won't be any protests or riots for you either.
Posted on 10/27/20 at 1:21 pm to auggie
Some of this may have already been covered, but there is one golden rule if you discharge your firearm. Don't say a damn word...about anything.
If you say "I feared for my life" or "it was self defense" or "my firearm is now secure, and I will turn it over when police arrive," guess what? The DA now has one less thing to prove. They have to prove you were the shooter before you ever get to those other questions. Sure, they will likely get there based on the evidence, but don't make anything easier on them.
If you say "I feared for my life" or "it was self defense" or "my firearm is now secure, and I will turn it over when police arrive," guess what? The DA now has one less thing to prove. They have to prove you were the shooter before you ever get to those other questions. Sure, they will likely get there based on the evidence, but don't make anything easier on them.
Posted on 10/27/20 at 1:27 pm to auggie
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Yall go ahead though, and be model citizens in that situation.
Thanks for the straw man.
If you have family, please opt for good coverage in your life insurance. That is if you believe in such things.
Posted on 10/27/20 at 1:30 pm to GeauxTrain
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Not one person will blame the police for disarming you by force then. There won't be any protests or riots for you either.
Do you think that matters? Is this the level of thinking that internet has brought us to? It's all about popular opinion? I am the most compliant person in the world, when the police stop me on the road, or whatever. Just pay the fines. When it comes to real stuff though, I aint going to stand around and wait to see what happens.
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